Footy Tragic
Up or Down?
When choosing a new player for your squad, you are typically targeting a player who presents good value for money. Rarely will you trade in a player who is at his peak price – often you will look to players on their way into some form, or perhaps a player who we know is talented, but simply has had some poor recent form. It is however a precarious balancing act as you want to make sure you are not trading a player who has outplayed his abilities two weeks in a row, and nor do you want a player flying down in value, only to continue the trend after you have traded him in. So it is important to discover that particular equilibrium between a bargain and a booby-trap. Therefore in this article I will compare two players of similar standing in today’s game – one is a superstar who has had an average season until late, whilst the other was an early season star before an injury put a serious dint in his price – today I will be looking at Adam Goodes and Nick Riewoldt.
Adam Goodes:
Up until a couple of weeks ago, Goodes’ season could probably be considered a pretty average one – he has rarely torn a game open, as has been his trademark in previous seasons, and he has kicked no more than four goals in a game – a feat he has only achieved once, against the Dogs. Dream Team-wise he has also been ordinary, topping 100 points only four times with scores of 100, 102, 103 and 106 – hardly anything too amazing. His one saving grace has at least been consistency – he has averaged 86 points and has dropped below 80 only three times, meaning that 80% of his games have seen him score between 80 and 110. It has been Goodes’ role that has been the main cause for his diminished form – in a Sydney team lacking Barry Hall, Goodes has resumed the CHF mantle for the team – a position that is particularly hard to play, especially in a team such as Sydney that plays most of it’s matches at the SCG – a small ground that often sees the ball kicked over the head of the centre-half forward. He has played the role well, but has far from shone, with many critics suggesting he needed a move back to the midfield to reinvigorate him. Fortunately, in round 15 this is exactly what coach Paul Roos did.
Goodes started the game against North Melbourne in the centre square and dominated from start to finish – he racked up 33 disposals (including 20 kicks), 11 marks, 5 tackles and also snagged three goals when he drifted forward late in the game. His form was stunning, and finally we saw the Goodes of old, the Goodes who has won two Brownlow medals playing through the midfield as both a ruckman and a ruck-rover. The worry after this game was whether he would start the same way the following weeks against Carlton, or whether it was just a ploy by Roos to play Goodes into some form. Fortunately, the same role was given to Goodes against the Blues and it had similar effects, with him snaring another 25 disposals, 7 marks, 5 tackles and a goal. So over the past fortnight, he has averaged 137 DT points – an incredible 51 point differential to the rest of his season!
Now not for a minute am I suggesting that Goodes will likely average 137 for the remaining rounds, but he is certainly playing in a style that will unlikely see him drop below 100 points on too many occasions through the remaining rounds. In fact, if Goodes continues his midfield role for the remaining rounds, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was able to average over 110 per game. But that is precisely the issue – WILL Goodes continue to play in the guts for the remaining rounds, or is it purely a sporadic role given to him to play him into some form? In a way, it wouldn’t be a huge loss if you did trade him in and he went back to averaging around 90 points (much better than plenty of other options), but that is not the point! If you trade him now as a Sydney Swans midfielder, you want it to remain this way for the remaining rounds – and this is exactly why you would be paying a premium on him from where he was a couple of weeks ago.
I think the best way to gauge Goodes’ role for the remaining rounds it to look at the rest of the team, assessing who could possibly play his CHF role if he was to permanently move to the midfield. Firstly, the Swans main other tall options are Jesse White, Bradshaw and Henry Playfair – Bradshaw is injured and is expected back in 2-3 weeks; Playfair will likely miss the rest of the season, whilst White impressed on the weekend after being a late inclusion for the Swans. So, the other tall timber looks average, but I am pinning my hopes on the role he played against Carlton on the weekend – he played almost equal time in both the midfield and at CHF, almost like a resting ruckman. When he was in the midfield, White was the main target, whilst small forwards such as McGlynn stepped up. Also, injuries to midfielders McVeigh and Smith could see Goodes spend more time on ball – the role given to Bolton on a HFF also opens up another spot. So, in summary, I do like his chances of spending at least 50% of game time on the ball – seemingly enough to see him clock up the ton.
Despite two big games in a row, Goodes could still be a bit of a risk, but I think that because of the large amount of potential he offers, he is worth the price tag. As I stated earlier, his form at least hasn’t been shocking as a forward, but as a midfielder he would certainly be much more valuable. It has been a year of poor, inconsistent forward options, so hopefully Goodes can offer a reprieve to plenty of stressed coaches in the latter parts of the season. His price is on the up, so now is as good a time as any to pounce!
Key Stats 2010:
Kick : handball ratio – 2.2 : 1
Average Marks per game: 7.4
Average Tackles per game: 2.5
Average Disposals per game: 18.9
Average Goals per game: 1.87
Breakeven: 18
Average Dream Team Points: 93
Price: $383,700(-$51,100)
Nick Riewoldt:
After round two, when Riewoldt kicked seven goals against the Kangaroos, he looked to be the in-form player of the competition and, for the first time in five years, was coming off a complete pre-season and looked a million dollars. Then, as everyone will know, round three saw him tear his hamstring from it’s tendon early in the game, finishing him on 20 points and subsequently putting him out of action for three months and a day, all the way to round 15. He has now played two games, and understandably is still finding his feet after such a long layoff. Fortunately though, Nick is a professional and has returned in very good physical condition, just as he has done, despite injuries, in round one of the past five years. And just like these two games, he has taken some time to adjust his fitness and get to a good pace, then almost like clockwork, three or four games back and he is once again in dominating form. Since injuring his hamstring, Roo has dropped $113,100 from his starting price of over $450,000, now making him a very appealing buy. But can he recapture his form in time for DT finals?
Whilst previous years haven’t seen Nick injure himself quite so severely, he has regularly come into the season underdone - whether it be a pre-season knee injury or shoulder troubles, but he always bounces back very quickly after about 3-4 games of low game time and adjusting to the pace. In 2009, he averaged 78 for the first three games before averaging 106.5 for the rest of the season. In 2008 he averaged 75 for the first five games and 99.4 for the remaining rounds. 2007; 71 for the first four, 99.3 for the remaining. 2006; 86 for the first five and 96.7 for the full season. So going by his history, we should hopefully expect Nick back scoring over 100 in around round 18 – the week before of DT finals. Whilst it is a more significant injury he is returning from, he has at least been able to participate in full training for the past month, meaning he shouldn’t be too far behind the 8-ball, especially considering the amount of work he puts in on the track.
So far, he has played two games and they have both been reasonable - he has played only around 60% game time in each, meaning he hasn’t had much of a chance to get much of a rhythm going, and nor has he had much of an opportunity to score much higher than he has. He is presenting well and is still going for the kamikaze marks – his main worry looks to be kicking at goal, but the fact he was confident enough to kick one from 50 metres against the Pies shows that he is winning the mental battle. His game time should begin to ramp up over the next fortnight – normally his game time is around 90%, so he is playing well below his usual TOG, suggesting there is plenty of improvement to come. The Saints also have one of the easiest draws for the rest of the season, meaning he should have many opportunities to rip apart a game – the Saints play Hawthorn this week, then after that it’s Essendon, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, Richmond and Adelaide – all bottom-eight sides.
There is no doubting that Nick is a risk, but I believe that he has plenty of upside in him. Clearly he is a star player and his best is simply amazing - the query is whether he will return to this sort of form this year. Whilst I believe we won’t see him in the sort of form he started the season in, he does have enough weeks remaining to really make a statement before the Saints embark on their finals series. He will also provide your team with a good dose of x-factor - unlike most of the other high-scoring forwards, Riewoldt won’t be in too many teams. Whilst there will be a large number who jump on him over the next month, it must be remembered that plenty of coaches will be down to their last couple of trades and are probably unlikely to be able to fit him into their squad. He probably carries more risk than any other forward at the moment (Chappy included), but I also believe his upside is well and truly the greatest.
Key Stats 2010:*
Kick : handball ratio – 1.3 : 1
Average Marks per game: 8.5
Average Tackles per game: 2
Average Disposals per game: 17
Average Goals per game: 3.25
Breakeven: 131
Average Dream Team Points: 98.5
Price: $355,000(-$113,100)
*(Stats do not include his round 3 game where he injured his hamstring 20mins in)

11 Comments on Up or Down?
Great read Toby. I reckon i’ll give Nick another week, then probably offload Pods for him heading into finals. Mind you, Pods plays Brisbane at the Cattery this week so we could be on for a Mark LeCras-esque score if he bags a few. Cats will more than likely be frustrated with their game against Adelaide too so i expect them to be a lot hungrier than last Friday night.
Yeah i think Nick is worth leaving one more week – i forgot to say this in the article. Goodes would have to be this week if you were to pounce! And the Saints run home is stunning, so hopefully quite a few points to come out of the Saints boys over the next month or so.
Also worth commenting on is Jason Gram’s price – he is now $285k, well below what he is worth. I am personally very tempted to trade Waters across to him. Whilst Waters has been very very good this year, i am very worried about his recent form, and moreso the position he has been playing in – more of a stopper than rebounder. He at least plays Carlton this week, who tend to leak points to defenders, although he wont make his breakeven of 131. Anyway, am tempted by a Saints double trade next week if all the stars align – Waters to Gram and Brown/Pods to Riewoldt. Still too early to be certain of this though! I have 4 trades left and dont want to burn them all!
Good afternoon boys. Generally i enjoy reading your posts and this one is no exeception as the info is spot on. Im just not sure i agree with the angle you have taken. I am by no means saying i know what im doing with Dream Team but i dont understand why you would be looking for someone like Goodes or Voldt at this time of year. In the first half of the year i am looking for the low to middle priced players who are going to “break out” or reach premium status but as the season goes on my focus changes. Technically Voldt and Goodes are premiums but im not sure Voldt will play like he did at the start of the year and Goodes really needs to keep playing in the mids. And im not sure i want to risk that at the pointy end of the season. I dont want to trade Hall or Brown to Voldt in the hope he does something. I would prefer to spend as much as is needed to get a proven performer such as Chappy….. even though i can hear his hammy straining as i type. Rather do that than do a “sideways trade” – trading like for like
Toby, one from left(ish) field…
You’re not worried about overloading on Saints players heading into the finals? The tendency for Lyon’s players to come down with “general soreness” heading into the finals provides some concern for me….
@ Fudd
Agree to some extent on Reiwoldt. I think the question mark over his form and fitness is too big a risk for mine. However, for me, the biggest question is health, and I wouldn’t consider Brown to Goodes a “sideways” move. He is undoubtedly a premium, and if fit, is worth a mention in this conversation.
In saying that, if anyone was holding onto a Tippett, Akermanis, Travis Cloke, Bradshaw, Hahn, Bate type player, Goodes is a much more attractive prospect.
Fudd, i can totally understand your comments, but in defence of the article I was aiming for someone potentially a bit cheaper than Chapman. Also, i did an article on Chappy only a month or so ago. I was looking to offer alternatives for Coaches not in the enviable position of being able to afford an upgrade to Chappy. Ideally, i would love to put Chapman into my side, but i would have to do a 2-for-1 trade to get him which is not ideal at this time of year.
Hmmm.. You’d be taking a big punt bringing in 2 players back from injury and lacking match-fitness in my opinion Toby. As you mentioned in your article, it’s all really a big IF as to whether Nick can recapture his early season form but i like his chances more so than Gram for some reason. You can just tell Nick wants so much to be out there and be firing on all cylinders, but he just needs to allow his body to adjust again i think. I must admit, he is an admirable athlete to say the least, and being a Cats supporter the last thing i want is a fit and firing Nick Riewoldt around finals time! haha..
Also, before you give up on Waters, it probably pays to step-back and have a close look at the possible reasons for his dive in form over the last few weeks too to gauge where he’s really at..
I totally plagiarized this from some other blokes comment on DT Talk, but it gives a good idea of his last few weeks…
Round 14 – vs Pies. 52pts, still had 19 possessions, no tackles & 3 marks. Poor game but Pies effiency going forward didn’t allow much opportunity for defenders to run the ball out. Also got tagged this game i think???
Round 15 – vs Crows. 79pts, 72 at half time (killing it) and then got corked hammie just b4 half time, came back on for a few minutes in 3rd and still scored 7 more points playing injured. Would have been a massive score in this game for him.
Round 16 – vs Bombers. 49pts, doubt over him playing going into this game and looked like he was still carrying that corked hammie a bit.
Yeah they are some really good points Wilson. I think i have already changed my mind on the Gram trade anyway… I think i was getting a bit excited by the value he possibly presents, rather than what would typically be my own advice – he’s not worth the risk for such little gain.
I am still tempted by Riewoldt, but not this week. I’ll give him another week to assess his form and also for another likely price drop. You are correct on your summation of Riewoldt Wilson – he has been pushing himself on the track over the past few months, and you only had to see his reaction when he was told he was not returning to the field in the game against Brisbane. I believe he will come good, but just hopefully sooner rather than later.
And as far as the concern about the Saints resting players goes, i believe that if Ross had his time again last year, they wouldnt have been rested – the Saints lost their next two games and came close against Melbourne in round 22. I think it just pulled their foot off the accelerator a bit too much. In the past month we have already seen Dal Santo, Goddard, Riewoldt, Gram and Kosi already have time on the sidelines, so they are unlikely to be rested again. Hopefully it may just be one or two players every week or so if it is going to happen, rather than all at once like last year.
Yeah, i am very much in the same boat as you, Toby. 4 trades left and tossing up whether to hold them solely for injuries or to pinch a couple more bargains before finals. I (should) jump into the top 4 in my league this week barring an absolute disastrous score of course, so i’m pretty happy at where my team is at, and Nick would just be the icing on the cake. However, i’m sure common sense would suggest i hold them for injuries but i just get too tempted by value, damn it!
I will be watching Nicks game intently this Friday night to see how he goes as i’m sure it will be a tough, in tight game. I can’t see the Saints giving the Hawks as much latitude as what they gave to the Pies. Definitely prefer Nicks run home than Pods too.
Sorry to plug other sites on yours mate, but this one actually gives a pretty handy analysis and breakdown on every player and their scoring fluctuations, etc. and it suggests that he should drop a further 17k or so.
How can anyone pass up a Nick Riewoldt at 340k !???!
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pr-st-kilda-saints–nick-riewoldt
Just to add another possibility to Waters – his scores have plummeted from the very week he lost the captaincy. Possibly he was a little sour and not so motivated to work as hard as he had been previously to make space and find the easier marks.
Also – I’m in the same boat – 4 trades left. If anyone is like me and has a MASSIVE amount of Geelong players (not including ablett) then I’d suggest holding on to those trades for finals. If you are forced to trade those premium style players money will not be a factor with so little trades left so there is no reason to find bargains. Just my opinion.
GT
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