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The Riewoldt Dilemma
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Ok… Well I’m sure there will be no big surprises as to what this article will be about; after the tragic injury to Nick Riewoldt on Friday night, 148,449 coaches felt the pain of losing Dream Team’s most premium forward. There are now plenty of questions on everyone’s minds; “Do I trade him?” “If so, do I swap him for a similarly priced premium?” “Or do I swap him for a cheaper option, allowing me to upgrade another player with the excess cash?”
All questions are appropriate, and different answers will apply to different circumstances – although one question will have a universal answer, and that is no matter how much you love the man, no matter how many trades you have left, you must trade him – firstly, it is expected he will miss (a minimum) 8 – 10 weeks, but as is the nature of his injury, any timeframe given will be purely speculative, meaning that it has every chance of being longer. Also, you don’t want a player worth $445,000 sitting idle on your bench when that sort of money could easily afford you a player who will average at least 100 points for the year.
I believe there are two main strategies to choose from, and within each strategy there are two players to choose from. For this reason I am going to shoot myself in the foot and set myself a massive task for this article – I will review all four players, as well as the pros and cons of each tactic.
Tactic 1: The Like-for-like Swap
I believe that this is the path most coaches will take for the Riewoldt trade – it is safe (as you know you are picking up a premium player), and to make it easier, there are two very clear options of who to trade to. This method involves swapping Riewoldt for a player of similar price and stature – the two clear trade options are Jonathan Brown and Ryan O’Keefe. Each player has his own benefits, and the great part about this tactic is that neither have any significant downsides.
Jonathan Brown:
Brown has started the year on absolute fire and after round two was the “must-have” player for just about anyone who didn’t have him. He has been in dominating form, already booting 17 goals for the year! Coming into the season, many people had worried about the possible adverse effect that Fevola would have on Brown’s game, but clearly Fev’s inclusion has worked brilliantly for him. Whilst Bradshaw was a great player, Fev is clearly better, meaning there is absolutely no chance an opposition coach will stick a second-rate defender on Fev – in turn this means Brown is less likely to be double teamed (and hence increasing his scoring potential). What’s more, Brown came into the season in great condition for the first time in many years – this means he is super fit, strong, and less likely to get injured. Anyone who has watched a Brisbane game this year will attest to the super form Brown is in – he is simply dominating games and looks close to unstoppable! If there were a downside to Brown, it would be the fact he has played three reasonably weak defences – West Coast, Carlton and Port Adelaide – and whilst none of these three are considered ‘poor’ backlines, they’re are certainly no St.Kilda, Geelong or Bulldogs. This means we have not yet seen Brown pitched against any of these top teams and makes us slightly hesitant to get him as we are unsure if he will have the capacity to dominate against such sides. At the end of the day, I think this weakness is one that could become over-exaggerated – regardless of the opposition, no one would have been able to stop Brown in his current form.
Key Stats:
Kick : handball ratio – 4.36 : 1
Average Marks per game: 10
Average Goals per game: 5.66
Average Disposals per game: 20
Breakeven: 86
Average Dream Team Points: 124.33
Price: $441,600
Ryan O’Keefe:
O’Keefe would bring a very different style of player into your Dream Team than Brown – O’Keefe is one of the few DT forwards who actually don’t play their games in the forward line. Although O’Keefe used to play as a third forward for Sydney, his role is now as a ball winning midfielder with a great workrate and a great kick. He is a very sneaky pick for your team as you are essentially picking up a midfielder in your forward line! His season to date has also been a very impressive one – he would likely be leading Sydney’s B&F at the moment thanks to his great ball-winning ability, but also has the capabilities to find space and hit up his forwards with precision. Last year O’Keefe proved that in his new role he was able to clock up some very impressive dream team scores, such as the 173 he scored against Carlton. He is also incredibly consistent, only dropping below 85 three times after round six. He has also already proven this year he can crack the big scores with two games above 120 points! The worry with O’Keefe, as there seems to be with any Sydney player, is the amount of ball that gets won through the Sydney midfield. Sydney have typically been a team known for their low disposal count – up until this year that is! They are really using the ball differently this season to years past with their injection of youth and speed into the lineup – Sydney have never been so exciting to watch. So as it stands, I think there is little to worry about regarding Sydney as a team – they are in winning form and have stepped up their disposal count, meaning O’Keefe could be every chance to step up from the high standard he set for himself last year.
Key Stats:
Kick : handball ratio – 1.67 : 1
Average Marks per game: 4.6
Average Goals per game: 1.6
Average Disposals per game: 27.6
Breakeven: 97
Average Dream Team Points: 114.67
Price: $438,300
Tactic 2: The Mid-Priced Bargain
This theory is obviously a little different to the first; it sees you instead downgrading Riewoldt to a cheaper player, but not necessarily one who will score you any less. These are players on the bubble – they have played two games and are in fantastic form. The trade to them will allow you some extra cash to perhaps upgrade (either this week or later on) one of your underperforming players from elsewhere on the field. It is a riskier strategy as you are not necessarily swapping for players with much of a rich DT history, but from their exposed 2010 form there is every likelihood that they are on the cusp of a breakout year.
Jarred Brennan:
Without wanting to blow my own horn (but when you have the opportunity…) I called Brennan’s meteoric rise this year in the pre-season when every training session he spent 100% of his time with the midfielders. So, what I mean by this is that his huge first two games weren’t necessarily out of the box – the writing was on the wall if you looked close enough. Brennan has for many years been a special talent, however we have never seen him mature into a consistent footballer. Now 25 years old, Brennan seems to have finally matured – it is certainly noticeable in his on-field presence as well as his maturity now when interviewed. Now, whilst only so much can be read into a player’s persona in front of a camera, for Brennan his maturity was often what Leigh Matthews (his previous coach) put as the reason for his inconsistencies as a player – so now he has grown up we should be able to expect a much better player. When we look at both games he has played this year (he sat out round 3 with a suspension), it is clear he is in form – he dominated in both games, winning plenty of the ball, but also adding tackling to his long list of skills. He is a highly talented player and there is no doubting his ability, but if we trade him in, the expectation is that he continues in the same vein. So what is to stop him from reverting back to his old ways? I believe, from both watching him onfield and listening to him off it, 2010 could finally be the year we see Brennan establish himself in the elite bracket of footballers.
Key Stats:
Kick : handball ratio – 1.5 : 1
Average Marks per game: 5
Average Tackles per game: 8
Average Disposals per game: 26.5
Breakeven: 31
Average Dream Team Points: 120
Price: $373,000
Cyril Rioli:
Sometimes it can be too easy to get sucked into a player just because they are highly skilled, but unfortunately they don’t get enough of the pill for DT. Rioli has often looked like he will be one of these players – he could be best on ground, yet only have 20 touches of the ball. But already this year, with his high pace, skill and frenetic energy, Rioli has shown he is no DT slouch. In his most recent game (against the Bulldogs), Rioli scored a very impressive 130 DT points – certainly nothing to scoff at! Coming into the season, Rioli had been suffering from early Osteitis Pubis – a cruelling groin injury, which strips players of their pace and penetration on their kicks. Fortunately, Hawthorn rested Rioli properly (the only way to get over this issue) and he appears to be now healthy. His role in the team sees him playing mainly as a forward, but he is capable of pushing up the field and racking up plenty of possessions on the wing. And it is no secret that Hawthorn want him to play as much time in the midfield as possible this year – not only does he have fantastic skills, but his renowned pace and tackling ability will put fear into any opposition midfielders. As the year wears on and Hawthorn are more confident with the condition of Rioli’s groin, I expect we will see much more of him in the midfield, but up until then, he will still spend large chunks of each game in the forward line, meaning there is a strong chance he will have the occasional stinker (i.e. 30 – 50 points). Other than his injury history, my main worry with Rioli is that his game has never been one very suited to Dream Team, so there is every chance that this 130 points is one out of the box. However, as Dan pointed out on the site yesterday, that just like Gary Ablett Jnr he has never had a game suited to DT – but perhaps he is just so bloody good he is going to score well anyway!
Key Stats:
Kick : handball ratio – 1.8 : 1
Average Marks per game: 5
Average Tackles per game: 5.5
Average Disposals per game: 16
Average Goals: 2.5
Breakeven: 42
Average Dream Team Points: 100.5
Price: $334,900

26 Comments on The Riewoldt Dilemma
How about Grundy? Can he keep getting the 100+ scores is my only concern.
Another option would be to trade Riewoldt for Rockliff and then upgrade Gumbleton etc.
Yet another insightful article :-) What are others thoughts on Pav as an option? I’m set on trading out both Tippett (Fwd) and Roo, so need to decide on replacements for both… Does anyone have any issues/thoughts on having both Brown and Brennan from the one team when I’ve already got Rockliff?
I’d have no issues with u having all three! I for one will have all three by weeks end! Also, the team u r looking at is a top four team- the type of players u want plenty of! If it were richmond or melbourne, it would be a different story! Last year I had 8 saints in my team by seasons end and it was one of the things that really got me over the line! Also, on pav, he looked great on the weekend, and any worries I had for him in the pre season are now gone! He’d be a great pick I reckon!
Tops article, I’m still not sure who to make the trade to. I’m sold on either O’Keefe or Brennan with the possibility of Colin Sylvia as a dark horse. Any thoughts on him as an option? I know he’s not played a game this year but having a broken jaw should’nt have limited his fitness base much and if he continues or even improves on his form from last year he could be a great dreamteam smokey.
With Riewoldt going down, do you see Goddard spending a few more quarters as a forward Riewoldt style now?
Also, this could also mean a player in the Saints defence could step up and assume Goddards role as a sweeper (when Goddard is forward) moreso than he already is?
But also consolidate the players spot in the squad – very much a fringe player last year.
Damn it Toby, i could’ve sworn you talked me out of getting Brennan just prior to the start of the season! haha.. (Formerly, Tits McGee by the way)
Now you’re all over him again!!
Let’s hope he can regain that momentum after his week off from suspension too!
-bighughie, i too am keeping a strong focus on Sylvia over the next couple of weeks also as he was a lock in my team prior to his jaw being destroyed in the pre-season. I think he is every chance to continue on that hot form we saw from him last year and i am also seriously considering him for Riewoldt at this stage, but i really want to see how he goes coming back from that broken jaw.
Like you said, i can’t see it hindering his fitness base but it might take him a few games to get that confidence back around the hard contests perhaps?
Wilson – I agree with you to a certain extent; that it’s very sound advice to hold your horses on a player coming back from injury. However, given Sylvia’s penchant for being a minor nutter I honestly cant see him floating wide of packs looking for easy ball. The Dee’s also have Richmond this week and given the Tigers woeful form of late could be the perfect confidence booster (if he needed one).
With that in mind and off on a bit of a DT tangent. I wonder if Jack Watts will get a run out. He was apparently great for Casey on the weekend and with neither Brad Miller or Juice Newton locking in the ‘big’ forward slot this could be a good game to get him out and about.
Colin Sylvia will be coming into my side in Round 7 or 8. I’ve been a huge Sylvia fan for many years and he was one of my first picked pre season (before Josh Kennedy broke his jaw).
Sylvia is a genuine A grade player, but is rarely spoken about in media circles because he doesn’t play for Geelong or St. Kilda.
Loving the Sylvia call bighughie. Ive had him on my radar too since the weekend.
Why are you recommending waiting until round 7/8 Benno? Do you think he will come back slowly, or is it just that he in your sights for an upgrade target for a cash cow?
Also, his first two preseason games went 53, 85 but I cant remember noting what his form or time on ground was like?
Yeah, right on the money there i think bighughie. I did think about that shortly after i posted my comment actually; Sylvia is a bit ‘all or nothing’ in the way he plays his footy, which is probably half the reason that he broke his jaw in the first place.
Very tempted to slot him in for Riewoldt and take the punt on him early, as i can’t see him dropping all that much even if he does put up a couple of mediocre scores in his first couple back. And baring maybe 1 or 2, you could almost say that Melbourne have a few reasonably winnable games in the next 5 or 6 rounds, so i’m sure he would be bursting to get back into the fray and help give his team every possible chance of achieving that.
LeatherHed, my personal reasons (as distinct from recommendations to others) for waiting until Round 7 or 8 with Colin Sylvia are:
1 – I’m bringing Jonathan Brown in for Nick Riewoldt this week and that will be my only trade;
2 – I want to give my cash cows more time to increase in value further;
3 – I want to give Sylvia 3 – 4 games to work on his match fitness before inserting him into my team.
It’s important to keep in mind that different strategies will work for different people, depending on your current squad of 30 players. For example, if you already have Jonathan Brown and Ryan O’Keefe, you may wish to consider picking up Colin Sylvia this week.
Gavin, if you want Rockliff, trade Gumby for him next week after his price rises again- trading Roo to Rockliff now and then Gumby up is pointless when u can trade Rooey to a premium, then Gumby down next week.
I do like Grundy, but i really feel a need to choose the absolute best player to replace Riewoldt, not a steady improver who wont average over 100 (not meaning to diss Grundy!).
The other option for Riewoldt is waiting 1 – 2 weeks to trade him out. Whilst it does mean that you will have him sitting on your bench (and will need adequate cover), it will allow you to trade him to Johnson or Didak when they bottom out in a couple of weeks. You could essentially do it now, but waiting a couple of weeks may save you $50k!
I am going to be downgrading Riewoldt to a player who should keep going up value for another 5-6 weeks. I plan on upgrading this player later in the season, however if he becomes a keeper i will not be arguing with that at all.
That way i can upgrade tippett(RUC) to Sandiiiiiiiiiiiiilands. Taking Tippett as my second ruck was my biggest regret this year.
thought i’d mention it was nice to see Harbrow pull out a century despite being on Rioli. Hopefully more of that to come!
Who u think you’ll downgrade to murph? One worth looking at could be Michael Hurley – will definitely play his first game this week and should come in firing! Personally, i hope to be locking him in over the next couple of weeks…
hey guys,
I think the Brown move is the safest but im thinking of something different to ‘hopefully’ gain an advantage on my league. Im thinking gray and roo to sylvia and brennan, especially if gray doesnt play this week. It is a bit sideways but if gray doesnt play this week its annoying and will probably be eased back in because of his injury.
I also intent to downgrade walker to rockliff next week then look for stevie j or dids.
Thoughts….
hey guys,
i was wondering if i should trade r-voldt to goodes?(Brennan, i don’t feel safe with him in my squad)
I haven’t done any research as of yet, but tossing up between a few… ballantyne, reimers, hurley, even rockliff..
you big tool franklin. thanks for wooing me with your one great preseason game.
Messi, Goodes aint a bad choice – he is definitely scoring well so far this year and is more than capable of bringing in some massive numbers. However, i do still worry that he is more a Supercoach player that a DT player – he doesnt necessarily need many possessions to be effective. However, playing Goodes as a forward does feel like a luxury!
Murph, i would hazard you against downgrading Roo to someone as low as Rockliff – You essentially currently have a player in your lineup worth $450,000 and you can really trade him for anyone except Chapman. Your goal in dream team really is to get as many premium players in your team by using as few trades as possible. I feel strongly that you would only trade Riewoldt for a keeper – he is not a cash cow, so any money made from a downgrade can just be considered bonus! You must always remember the structure of your team – too much cash in the bank suggests you arent going to score as well. Plus, trading for ANY of the four players you mentioned, you are not getting a likely keeper, meaning you will have to burn another trade later just to get another player of Riewoldt’s price-point (and that’s the money you saved spent there!). Do you get what i mean? My suggestion would be to trade Riewoldt to one of the four players mentioned (or maybe the likes of Goodes, Higgins, Stevie J, etc), and if you want one of the other four, perhaps down-trade the likes of Tippett of Hall… Does this help?
Also, for those thinking of trading Gray, i do strongly believe it is a wasted trade! We have waited so long (and it has been too long!), but he should play this week, so those three weeks will essentially be pointless if you just trade him out now! I am excited as he now feels like an extra recruit to my team! I almost forgot i had him sitting there! Essentially, it is too late now if you want to get rid of him! At least give him two weeks to prove his worth, and if he doesnt, get rid of him for a bottomed out Johnson or Didak
I was hoping Hurley’s name wouldn’t come up *lol* – as a Bombers supporter, I’d thought he might fly right under the radar of others but it would appear my ‘secret’ is out… I’m thinking I might trade Roo for Pav this week, bench Tippet – means Gumby will be F6 and Wright F7(!) – and then with 1 week’s more info on Brennan, Rioli and Hurley, make a decision. Or is this taking too much of a risk of copping another low score due to my Fwds?
I’m actually not totally against trading Riewoldt for Rockliff. It’s a risk, but a calculated. Look at it this way Toby, it’s a very similar strategy to holding onto Roo for a week or two as you suggested. This way, you just get a bit more cover in the short term. You’d be trading Roo anyway, you’d be trading another cash cow fairly soon (Gumby, Hitchcock). Why not do it in the reverse order so you can get Rocky at his cheapest and wait for one of your other forward cash cows to max out (which won’t be too far away for Gumby, Hitchcock, Roberts just to name a few)?
Juzz, even though it’s kinda my job on here to throw up any names I think will be relevant I was tossing up whether or not to keep Hurley to myself. ;) I wouldn’t bring him straight in, but definitely wait and see how his first couple of games. Has legitimate star written all over him, so would love to see how his first few games go this season.
Yeah i can actually understand it under that theory Dan… Fair points!
It all just goes to show that this week could prove to be one of the most important in most coach’s seasons!
Also – not that i’d trade him for Riewoldt… But Roo’s injury suddenly makes me start wondering what this may mean for Koschitzke! Word has it he is determined to come back and make a point in round 5 (when he returns from suspension) – also, last time Riewoldt missed a chunk of the season was in 2005 – in the four games where Kosi became the key target, he amassed himself 11 brownlow votes! Food for thought i guess…
On SEN this morning they said Lyon has earmarked Fisher to play CHF in Roo’s absence as he’s got a bigger tank than Kosi and can get up the field to the wings and play the role in much the same manner as Roo. I wonder how this will affect Fisher’s DT scoring? Further they pointed out the St Kilda game plan and structure was very different under Grant Thomas when Kosi had that run of good games when Roo was out a few years back… Yet more food for thought :-)
Hey juzz, out of interest, was it speculation or did Ross Lyon really say that? I’m not really surprised if that’s the case tho. With Gilbert in such great form down back and the emergence of gwilt, Ross can spare fisher down back. I’d also expect to see more of Goddard down there too. Fisher was actually inititally drafted to the saints as a forward, bu injuries to max and maguire saw him get his chance down back. I think this could actually help his dt game, or at least not diminish his average. The chf position will continue to help him get plenty of marks and kicks. Fisher is one of the best set-up players at the saints, if not the league- his passes into the forward line rarely miss a target! He won’t get as many goals as riewoldt, but picture him as a playing a similar game to Robert Murphy from bulldogs. His move will help elevate gwilt scoring potential and could see the inclusion of one of stanley, lynch, heyne or cahill as that third tall up forward capable of kicking goals- this will counter the fact fisher won’t be kicking as many goals as roo…
Also, I think they are very right re Kosi- I know I made a contrary point yesterday, but honestly I would be surpirsed if he did have that same sort of blinder as he did a few years ago…
Hey Toby, the Morning Glory boys were commenting on an article in yesterday’s Australian by Greg Denham who spoke with Ross Lyon – see link
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/lyon-picks-monster-to-cover-for-riewoldt/story-e6frg7mf-1225853376069
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