Footy Tragic
Round 17
ST KILDA v HAWTHORN
St Kilda
B: Zac Dawson, Jason Blake, Sam Gilbert
HB: Jason Gram, Sam Fisher, James Gwilt
C: Brendon Goddard, Nick Dal Santo, Farren Ray
HF: Clinton Jones, Justin Koschitzke, Leigh Montagna
F: Andrew McQualter, Nick Riewoldt, Stephen Milne
Foll: Michael Gardiner, Lenny Hayes, Adam Schneider
I/C: Jack Steven, Ben McEvoy, Brett Peake, Sean Dempster
Emg: Adam Pattison, Jarryn Geary, Rhys Stanley
In: Dal Santo, McEvoy
Out: Adam Pattison, Jarryn Geary
- No huge surprises at the Saints with Dal Danto coming straight back into the squad after being a late withdrawal last week.
- McEvoy also comes back from a weeks rest, whilst Geary is a surprise omission.
Hawthorn
B: Brent Guerra, Stephen Gilham, Thomas Murphy
HB: Grant Birchall, Josh Gibson, Ben Stratton
C: Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Clinton Young
HF: Chance Bateman, Lance Franklin, Shaun Burgoyne
F: Cyril Rioli, Jarryd Roughead, Michael Osborne
Foll: Brent Renouf, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell
I/C: Campbell Brown, Xavier Ellis, Wayde Skipper, Brendan Whitecross
Emg: Rick Ladson, Jordan Lisle, Shane Savage
In: Franklin
Out: Carl Peterson (wisdom teeth)
- Franklin is straight back in after passing his fitness test today at training. The Hawks are still suggesting that he is not 100%, but i would be very surprised if he didn’t play!
- Peterson is out, having chosen a very bad point in the season to have his wisdom teeth removed.
COLLINGWOOD v RICHMOND
Collingwood
B: Nick Maxwell, Simon Prestigiacomo, Ben Reid
HB: Harry O’Brien, Tyson Goldsack, Alan Toovey
C: Sharrod Wellingham, Dane Swan, Jarryd Blair
HF: Luke Ball, Chris Dawes, Leon Davis
F: Dayne Beams, Leigh Brown, Steele Sidebottom
Foll: Darren Jolly, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas
I/C: Alan Didak, Tarkyn Lockyer, Ben Johnson, Brent Macaffer
Emg: Josh Fraser, Luke Rounds, Simon Buckley
In: Maxwell
Out: Heath Shaw (back)
- Maxwell back is no huge DT news, although the loss of Shaw certainly is, especially after he found some good form against the Saints on Saturday. Chances are it will only be a short-term injury.
Richmond
B: Chris Newman, Luke McGuane, Alex Rance
HB: Brett Deledio, David Astbury, Daniel Connors
C: Mitch Morton, Dustin Martin, Shane Edwards
HF: Ben Nason, Andrew Collins, Ben Cousins
F: Jayden Post, Jack Riewoldt, Dean Polo
Foll: Angus Graham, Shane Tuck, Jake King
I/C: Robin Nahas, Andrew Browne, Mitch Farmer, Jeromey Webberley
Emg: David Gourdis, Troy Taylor, Robbie Hicks
In: Morton, Polo, Rance, Nason, Post, Browne
Out: Richard Tambling , Kelvin Moore (leg), Matt White (leg), Will Thursfield (concussion), Trent Cotchin (suspension), Tyrone Vickery
- The Tigers swing the axe after their first loss in a month, with Tambling being the biggest name omission. The Tigers will also be short on defenders with Moore and Thursfield both injured.
- Cotchin is out suspended for four weeks.
- Nason is the good news inclusion, whilst Brown will play his first game of the year – don’t be expecting too much from him though!
GEELONG CATS v BRISBANE LIONS
Geelong Cats
B: Tom Lonergan, Matthew Scarlett, Josh Hunt
HB: Darren Milburn, Harry Taylor, Corey Enright
C: James Kelly, Cameron Ling, Gary Ablett
HF: Paul Chapman, James Podsiadly, Travis Varcoe
F: Mathew Stokes, Cameron Mooney, Steve Johnson
Foll: Brad Ottens, Joel Selwood, Joel Corey
I/C: David Wojcinski, Andrew Mackie, Jimmy Bartel, Mark Blake
Emg: Taylor Hunt, Simon Hogan, Daniel Menzel
In: Johnson, Milburn
Out: Shannon Byrnes (soreness), Simon Hogan
- The Cats further strengthen their team by bringing back Johnson from suspension and Milburn from injury. Byrnes makes was with soreness/resting, whilst Hogan has been dropped.
Brisbane Lions
B: Brent Staker, Daniel Merrett, Joel Patfull
HB: Pearce Hanley, Matt Maguire, Daniel Rich
C: Jack Redden, Jared Brennan, Tom Rockliff
HF: Luke Power, Jonathan Brown, Amon Buchanan
F: Aaron Cornelius, Brendan Fevola, Todd Banfield
Foll: Mitchell Clark, Michael Rischitelli, James Polkinghorne
I/C: James Hawksley, Matthew Leuenberger, Ryan Harwood, Albert Proud
Emg: Tom Collier, Justin Sherman, Cheynee Stiller
In: Proud, Hawksley, Cornelius, Harwood
Out: Ashley McGrath (suspension), Justin Sherman, Tom Collier, Travis Johnstone
New: Ryan Harwood (Tasmania U18s)
- The Lions bring back last week’s surprise omission, Cornelius and also add debutant Ryan Harwood. Harwood is a very competitive midfielder who averaged 21 disposals through both the TAC cup and u18 championships. He is a good body size and his strength is around contests, averaging the most clearances of anyone in the Tasmanian team. He was picked by Brisbane at pick 47 in the 2009 draft and looks a likely type at AFL level.
- Making way are McGrath (suspended for one week), Sherman and Johnstone – both who were AWFUL against Hawthorn last week.
NORTH MELBOURNE v ESSENDON
North Melbourne
B: Michael Firrito, Scott Thompson, Brady Rawlings
HB: Jamie Macmillan, Nathan Grima, Daniel Pratt
C: Leigh Adams, Brent Harvey, Ryan Bastinac
HF: Matt Campbell, Lachlan Hansen, Ben Warren
F: Daniel Wells, Todd Goldstein, Aaron Edwards
Foll: Hamish McIntosh, Andrew Swallow, Levi Greenwood
I/C: Ben Cunnington, Ed Lower, Gavin Urquhart, Josh Smith
Emg: Leigh Harding, David Hale, Ben Speight
In: Smith, Macmillan
Out: Robbie Tarrant (thumb), Sam Wright (concussion)
New: Jamie Macmillan (Oakleigh Chargers)
- The big news here is that Jamie Macmillan WILL make his debut this week – i talked about him in last week’s teams review, so check that out if you want to know more.
- Tarrant makes way with a thumb injury which will see him miss a few weeks, whilst Wright still hasn’t recovered from the bump given to him by Cotchin.
Essendon
B: Heath Hocking, Cale Hooker, Dustin Fletcher
HB: Mark McVeigh, Michael Hurley, Courtenay Dempsey
C: Kyle Reimers, Jobe Watson, Travis Colyer
HF: David Zaharakis, Scott Gumbleton, Angus Monfries
F: Leroy Jetta, Jay Neagle, Sam Lonergan
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Jason Winderlich, Ben Howlett
I/C: Bachar Houli, Brent Stanton, Kyle Hardingham, Alwyn Davey
Emg: Brent Prismall, David Myers, Nathan Lovett-Murray
In: Houli, Jetta, Hardingham
Out: Jake Melksham, Nathan Lovett-Murray, Tom Bellchambers (foot)
New: Kyle Hardingham (East Fremantle)
- Essendon’s emergency list almost looks like their best line at the moment, with Lovett-Murray dropped and Prismall not getting a recall. Melksham is the other player to be omitted.
- Houli and Jetta, two players seemingly out of favour at the Bombers are back, whilst Hardingham will make his debut. Hardingham is a mature aged midfielder and one who has strong dream team potential. He is 21 years old and was drafted to Essendon is last year’s pre-season draft after taking home East-Fremantle’s B&F in 2009. Despite playing off half-back, Hardingham was the club’s leading goalkicker, kicking 25 goals in his 15 games. He averaged 19 disposals, 6 marks and 2 tackles a game in 2009.
WEST COAST v CARLTON
West Coast
B: Will Schofield, Eric Mackenzie, Brad Sheppard
HB: Beau Waters, Mitchell Brown, Shannon Hurn
C: Matt Rosa, Matt Priddis, Andrew Embley
HF: Andrew Strijk, Josh Kennedy, Brad Ebert
F: Dean Cox, Quinten Lynch, Mark LeCras
Foll: Nic Naitanui, Adam Selwood, Chris Masten
I/C: Ashton Hams, Scott Selwood, Ashley Smith, Lewis Stevenson
Emg: Tim Houlihan, Patrick McGinnity, Callum Wilson
No change
Carlton
B: David Ellard, Michael Jamison, Paul Bower
HB: Jordan Russell, Jarrad Waite, Bryce Gibbs
C: Chris Yarran, Chris Judd, Heath Scotland
HF: Marc Murphy, Lachie Henderson, Kade Simpson
F: Jeff Garlett, Shaun Hampson, Eddie Betts
Foll: Robert Warnock, Andrew Walker, Aaron Joseph
I/C: Dennis Armfield, Andrew Carrazzo, Shaun Grigg, Chris Johnson
Emg: Marcus Davies, Richard Hadley, Mitch Robinson
In: Johnson, Warnock, Ellard
Out: Sam Jacobs, Kane Lucas (hamstring), Mitch Robinson
- The Blues had suggested that Warnock would earn a recall this week, which is fantastic news, however it is surprising it came at the expense of Jacobs, who has been more than serviceable this year. Chris Johnson is another inclusion, who like Warnock, will have a lot to prove in this game with his career just about on the line.
- Lucas is out with a hamstring injury that the club has said will make him miss the rest of the year.
WESTERN BULLDOGS v FREMANTLE
Western Bulldogs
B: Jarrod Harbrow, Brian Lake, Dale Morris
HB: Ryan Hargrave, Tom Williams, Lindsay Gilbee
C: Daniel Cross. Matthew Boyd, Liam Picken
HF: Robert Murphy, Brad Johnson, Shaun Higgins
F: Jarrad Grant, Barry Hall, Daniel Giansiracusa
Foll: Ben Hudson, Adam Cooney, Ryan Griffen
I/C (from): Dylan Addison, Nathan Eagleton, Andrejs Everitt, Brodie Moles, Jordan Roughead, Callan Ward, Easton Wood
In: Addison, Roughead, Hall
Out: -
- No outs yet for the dogs (except Aker of course!), but they have included Roughead and Hall into the game – both of which are almost certainties to play.
Fremantle
B: Dylan Roberton, Antoni Grover, Greg Broughton
HB: Matthew de Boer, Luke McPharlin, Roger Hayden
C: Garrick Ibbotson, David Mundy, Nathan Fyfe
HF: Jay van Berlo, Matthew Pavlich, Stephen Hill
F: Adam McPhee, Michael Johnson, Hayden Ballantyne
Foll: Aaron Sandilands, Nick Suban, Paul Duffield
I/C (from): Justin Bollenhagen, Jesse Crichton, Clancee Pearce, Byron Schammer, Paul Hasleby, Rhys Palmer, Anthony Morabito
In: Schammer, Suban, Pearce, Bollenhagen, Crichton, Grover
Out: Kepler Bradley (knee), Ryan Crowley (knee), Alex Silvagni (groin)
New: Justin Bollenhagen (South Adelaide), Jesse Crichton (North Launceston)
- No huge ins for the Dockers, although it is good to see them name two debutants (albeit to the extended bench). Neither are particularly impressive for Dream Team unfortunately with Bollenhagen being Freo’s last pick in the 2009 draft as a player who can play either end of the ground. He wasn’t spectacular in the draft camp, failing to get in the top 30% of any tests – he is a project player and will take time.
- Crichton has the junior stats to suggest he could be a good dream teamer, although at just 72kgs, i doubt it will be in 2010. in the under 18s he impressed as a midfielder both capable of winning the ball, but also ferocious tackling, averaging a huge 6 tackles per game. He also averaged 19 disposals in his 5 games. As I said, he is probably too skinny, but we must remember the debut of Stephen Hill last year who was 69kgs!
- Bradley, Silvagni and Crowley are all big outs for Freo – all forced by injury.
MELBOURNE v SYDNEY SWANS
Melbourne
B: Colin Garland, Jared Rivers, Clint Bartram
HB: Jordie McKenzie, James Frawley, Joel Macdonald
C: Jamie Bennell, Cameron Bruce, Brad Green
HF: Lynden Dunn, Cale Morton, Tom Scully
F: Colin Sylvia, Jack Watts, Liam Jurrah
Foll: Mark Jamar, Brent Moloney, Aaron Davey
I/C (from): Nathan Jones, Paul Johnson, Rohan Bail, Matthew Bate, Austin Wonaeamirri, Addam Maric, Matthew Warnock
In: Wonaeamirri, Warnock, Maric
Out: -
- Nothing too exciting here, except for Wona being back, which may help those coaches who traded him in earlier in the year. I wouldn’t even consider him if you don’t have him though!
Sydney Swans
B: Rhyce Shaw, Ted Richards, Martin Mattner
HB: Paul Bevan, Heath Grundy, Tadhg Kennelly
C: Nick Malceski, Brett Kirk, Kieren Jack
HF: Ryan O’Keefe, Mike Pyke, Josh Kennedy
F: Ben McGlynn, Adam Goodes, Jarred Moore
Foll: Shane Mumford, Jude Bolton, Jarrad McVeigh
I/C (from): Trent Dennis-Lane, Daniel Hannebery, Lewis Jetta, Brett Meredith, Gary Rohan, Sam Reid, Jesse White
In: Dennis-Lane, Jetta, Reid, Rohan
Out: Nick Smith (hamstring)
New: Sam Reid (Murray Bushrangers)
- Sydney are bringing in a few young guns, TDL, Jetta, Reid and possible debutant Reid. All are named on the extended bench though, so don’t get too excited!
- Reid is a key defender, and undersized at that. He was never a big ball winner in juniors, averaging just 8 disposals in the TAC cup, proof he is not a dream teamer!
PORT ADELAIDE v ADELAIDE
Port Adelaide
B: Paul Stewart, Alipate Carlile, Nick Salter
HB: Tom Logan, Troy Chaplin, Matt Thomas
C: Kane Cornes, Domenic Cassisi, Travis Boak
HF: Cameron Hitchcock, Jay Schulz, David Rodan
F: Robbie Gray, Daniel Stewart, Brett Ebert
Foll: Dean Brogan, Danyle Pearce, Josh Carr
I/C (from): Mitchell Banner, Jack Trengove, Matthew Broadbent, Justin Westhoff, Andrew Moore, Jasper Pittard, Chad Cornes
In: Thomas, Boak, Carlile, Stewart, Gray, Moore, Pittard, Cornes
Out: Daniel Motlop (suspension), Jay Nash, Steven Salopek (shoulder), Scott Harding, Jason Davenport
New: Jasper Pittard (Geelong Falcons)
- I am going to be honest and say I simply cannot wait till this game – in fact, I am rarely so excited about a game played by two interstate teams outside the eight. Why? It is the last ever game of one of the AFL’s toughest players – Josh Carr. I doubt he will go out swinging (aka. Doing a Lynch), but if let loose, he is going to make the game worth watching. The icing on the cake is the return of Thomas from injury – aka. “The Crow Killer.”
- Cornes may also be back (fingers crossed this isn’t another last game), with Gray, Moore and Boak other big inclusions.
- Jasper Pittard is named on the bench for his first game, although i doubt he will play. He is an incredible football talent and a great footballer to match – he is a great athletic tall who will play most of his football on a wing or off half-back thanks to his great ability to read the play and mark above his head. He is a little undersized for AFL level, but not too small. He averaged 20 disposals in the TAC cup and there is little doubt he will be a future gun!
- Salopek is out for the rest of the season with a shoulder injury, whilst Harding, Davenport and Nash have been dropped.
Adelaide
B: Michael Doughty, Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock
HB: Simon Goodwin, Scott Stevens, Andrew McLeod
C: David Mackay, Patrick Dangerfield, Nathan van Berlo
HF: Rory Sloane, Taylor Walker, Richard Douglas
F: Ricky Henderson, Kurt Tippett, Matthew Jaensch
Foll: Jonathon Griffin, Scott Thompson, Bernie Vince
I/C (from): Brent Reilly, Brad Symes, Phil Davis, Ivan Maric, James Sellar, Tony Armstrong, Nathan Bock
In: Bock, Sellar, Armstrong
Out: -
- Bock is really the only exciting news. Played well in the SANFL on the weekend and there is little doubt he will play.
5 Comments on Round 17
So Warnock back in is good but creates (or enhances) my dilemma with Hille.
So this week I’m essentially playing for top spot. I want it because 4th will be a much easier opponent than second or third come finals.
I have Hille and have eaten around 5 zeroes because of him, but thats not important i just want to bitch, I need to decide whether to trade Hille or keep him and play Warnock.
I currently have 6 trades and 100k. I’m pretty set in my benches (please come back gysberts). My opponent has Cox, if i do trade Hille it will be to Cox. Obviously Pro’s are that Cox will score higher than Warnock, I eliminate the risk of being outscored in the ruck, Cox is hitting form and I’m scared of Hille’s hammys. Cons are im ‘wasting’ a trade as i have a playing player, hille will be back next week, Might be too sideways.
If i do trade this will leave me with 5 trades in which i would like to upgrade my squad for come finals. I’m wondering if its worth it to trade out volatile/out of form players for ‘better’ ones, I’ll give a few examples. I thinking of turning Harbrow into scotland (1 trade) or Lake (2 trades) as this would increase my ppg by 15-25. Or Gia/Brown/Pods/Higgins to a Chapman depening upon who is in the worse form, right now Gia/Brown. Obviously on current for this is a 40ppg increase. Deciding to upgrade these players would mean having to do a trade for cash, my biggest cash cow is Maguire and this week Ash Smith plays his 3rd game and as i dont see any other back cows coming through (and im not surprised at this point of the season) it would have to be this week for maximum cash. Leaves me with a strijk and smith backline.
This leads to my final question, how many trades should i go into finals with? I’m thinking two because that means if I lose my first match (double chance) then i have two trades to ‘go all out’ to win my first sudden death match, i would hate to go out with trades remining. Whether or not i burn the trades hopegully my playing subs will save me zeroes.
So in short:
Hille to Cox, worth it?
Using trades on out of form players for 20-40ppg increase, worth it?
How many trades should i go into finals with?
Hille to Cox – definitely was worth it 5 weeks ago. I’m not sure now. If you’ve eaten the donut for 5 weeks, you may as well have it for another week, especially if you have cinnamon.
Sideways moves are never worth it…Although i’m not sure that burning 2 trades for chappy is a sideways move, depending on the rest of your forward line. I wouldn’t bother moving harbrow for scotland
as for trades in finals, i’ve never had any before this year, but i will go in with 4 or 5
one of the boys wrote a good article a week or so on this exact topic…suggest you read that :)
Hille to Cox, worth it?
I think this trade has merit, and is probably worthwhile due to the amount of trades you have. I am still hesitant on Cox though, despite good recent form. If you were to look at the bright side, Warnock could be in for a decent game – just about playing for his carreer at Carlton at this stage, and will be number one ruck with Jacobs dropped/rested. Even if he scores 60-80, i think this is worth saving a trade. Personally, i offloaded Hille 3 weeks ago as i only had Trengove as cover. Hille should return next week, so personally i would hold fire.
Using trades on out of form players for 20-40ppg increase, worth it?
With 6 trades left, maybe yes for two of them. I wouldnt get rid of Harbrow, and definitely not for Scotland – everyone seems keen on him lately, but i think his form hasnt been amazing lately.
I think it is important to be only trading for a DEFINITE upgrade, not a sideways trade. A sideways trade is getting someone who will score the same, be it for same or lesser value. An upgrade is getting a player who WILL score more than the one you own, and not just by 5 or so points. In defense, and upgrade is Hodge, Goddard or Lake – i can’t see anyone else being much more than a sideways trade. Forwards, Chappy is the only one. None in the rucks, and we all know which midfielders are the cream this year. Do u get what i am saying? YES it is a waste if you are infact trading sideways (referring to my definition), but i would be happy to recommend an upgrade to either Chappy or Lake etc, even with that many trades left. I would set aside four for the finals, and anything surpluss can be used to either double trade or upgrade as you see fit.
Btw, my recommendation of four for finals is if you are pretty confident of making it through the first week or two – if you are outside the 8, trade as much as you like. There are no second chances here.
Personally, i have four trades left and am fourth in my league (despite being number one in points for by a country mile!). I may use one or two of these as finals approach, but i am wary of hitting finals with only one or two in the bank. Ideally, i think four. But realistically, maybe two could be safe.
* I meant to say, trade as much as you like if you are outside the top 4 – not 8
Joker, not that it matters given it’s after lock out (I recommend not trading in Gilbert) but you have to consider the part in the season it is, if you are confident of finishing top 4, no need to blow those trades. I have a team specifically designed for my finals league, I have 6 trades and 350k in the bank. I still have maguire/nason/webberly in my backline and Howlett on the field in my midfield. I’m putting off these upgrades so I can wait til finals, assess the best players, double trade and win my first game, then only have to play games 3 and 4 with 4 trades. I don’t see the point in trading in potentially risky players at this point of the season without good reason, they can’t give you consistent scores over a long period of time so they’re really only good for finals, so wait for it!
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