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Collingwood Magpies
The Team:
As usual, Collingwood are looking at having a decent stab at September action, recruiting seasoned players Luke Ball and Darren Jolly. I believe Jolly will make a difference to the side, especially in September - Ball will be handy, but with the hype of trade week, it becomes hard to think of him as the player he IS, not the player is WAS – he’s give 110%, but is still slow and refuses to kick the ball… Collingwood have their hardest fixture they have had in many years, so this will make it more difficult for them to be winning consistently, but it also means to avoid players who go missing in bigger games, such as Leon Davis. As far as Dream Team is concerned, Collingwood are reasonable without being great – they do kick a lot more than many other sides, so this is a big plus, however they do not over-possess the ball like some of the better DT sides, Geelong and St.Kilda.
Who’s Hot?:
Scott Pendlebury ($454,700): Has apparently been blowing away the coaches with his work effort this pre-season and hasn’t missed a beat. I really like the sound of this – at his age, he should be really hitting his prime.
Darren Jolly ($381,500): Training strongly, and training to be Collingwood’s key ruckman in 2010, with Fraser being trained as a part time forward/ rover. I see a lot of upside in Jolly this year.
Nathan Brown ($161,600): After an average 2009, he has put on stacks of muscle and looks like cementing his spot in the side. He has impressed both the coaches and fans immensely – just be wary that his position of CHB is not ideal for DT purposes.
Ben Reid ($169,200): Has put on some weight and muscle as well as increased his fitness. The coaching staff are hoping he can secure a spot along the half-back line come round one – again, his point scoring wont win you many games though.
Who’s Not?:
Travis Cloke: Has missed a fair bit of training due to a bruised knee he copped towards the end of last year. I think Cloke is one of those players who NEEDS a full pre-season to hit early form, therefore I would be very cautious!
Brad Dick: Still recovering from a shoulder reconstruction and will miss at least two months of the season proper – avoid.
The Bargain:
Paul Medhurst ($289,200): After a breakout season in 2008, concluding with an All-Australian nod, Paul Medhurst’s 2009 was both frustrating and disappointing. This was mainly caused by an ankle injury sustained in round 6 – he went on to miss six games and once he returned in round 13, he failed to come close to regaining his 2008 form. Not only was his form poor, but due to the management of his injury, his minutes per game dropped by 20% from the year prior. He has worked hard over the off season to overcome his injuries, and many reports have suggested he has been successful, despite still training on a modified program. This means that if he is able to begin 2010 in similar fashion to 2008, we could see a significant rise in his scoring, compared to what is expected of him with his lowly starting price of under $300k. Medhurst is a risky one, and could almost fall into the ‘smokey’ category if it wasn’t for the fact we know what he is capable of without a nagging ankle injury. Certainly keep an eye on his pre-season before selecting him, but if he shows no signs of soreness in the joint (and consequently plays well), he should be very strongly considered for your 2010 team!
The Kid:
Steele Sidebottom ($254,600): Steele not only arrived at Collingwood with masses of fanfare, but also arrived in Dream Team land with enough fanfare to know something special was about to happen! Steele’s DT average as a junior was staggering, with him clocking just over 160 points in the 2008 TAC cup Grand Final – not too bad! Unfortunately, for much of 2009, Steele delivered little on his promises due to a lack of opportunity, but also lack of body size to be able to compete with the much larger opposition midfielders. After we were losing faith, Steele pulled out a 25 disposal, 10-tackle game against Adelaide in the Semi final. Through this, Steele confirmed two things – it confirmed to us all that he is capable of replicating his large junior scores at AFL level, but also confirmed to Mick Malthouse that Steele is now a best-22 player. Now, one pre-season later, Steele has bulked up his body and looks set for a big year – I believe we will see a big improvement from Steele this year, and his price tag of $254,600 looks very, very appetizing!
The Premium:
Dane Swan ($523,500): Dane Swan is the premium’s premium. If you played Dream Team in 2009, you know who he is – he is the ‘average’ footballer that no opposition coach wanted to tag, even if he racked up 48-possessions, just like he did in round 10 against Port Adelaide. From rounds 13 – 20, Swan racked up at least 30 disposals in each game – Need I say more? The guy is a DT gun – good enough to get stacks of the ball, not good enough to deserve the tag! However, I worry that with the amount of publicity Swan’s season got towards the end of last year, some coaches will begin to put the clamps on the great man – it was proven in the finals that Swan is definitely able to be stopped via a tag, and on both occasions he was tagged, Collingwood lost (whether this has anything to do with the tag or not is another question entirely…). At this price, you want to be sure he will average at least 110 points, at least for the first number of rounds, and personally, I would be a little skeptical – although this may be dependant on how well Pendles and Didak go from round one (ie. They may be tagged instead). Personally, I would be more inclined to spend my money elsewhere, but in saying that, Swan rarely has a bad match and it’s very likely that I will be proven wrong!
The Smokey:
Simon Buckley ($193,300): Buckley only played one game for Melbourne in 2009 due to ongoing hip and groin injuries. This was especially disappointing after his great break-out season in 2008. Unfortunately, Buckley was delisted at the end of the year, but then picked up by Collingwood in the draft. He played most of his time at Melbourne as a rebounding defender and midfielder, a role that would be likely at Collingwood if he is given his chance. He is a good price for the risk involved – the risk mainly being whether he is best 22 or not – personally I don’t believe he is at the moment, but he does have time to prove otherwise in the NAB cup. I do like the price though – he could effectively be your 6th or 7th defender, and therefore not be relied upon for huge scores. I think if he does play, it could be expected he will average around 70 points – a good investment at under $200k. Now, I know I say it a lot, but watch his pre-season (and we will even do it for you at Footy Tragic!) and see whether he looks like he will play round one. If round one looks likely, you could do much worse around that price range!
12 Comments on Collingwood Magpies
Rusty’s 2008 TAC Cup GF was 211 points.
Also, I just can’t rate Medhurst. He’s just too far back in the pecking order for streaky prominent players at Collingwood. Davis and Didak, who both improved markedly last year (especially Davis) get a lot of the ball he was enjoying in 2008.
Guys
I’m looking at the dreamteam rules of the game and can’t find anything about partial lockouts. Can you guys see there they are keeping this information on their site? There is a paragraph about it on there facebook page but thats not part of the rules.
Not convinced on Buckly – Extreamly poor history with injury.
Only have 2 spots that I’m doggie on in my backline its b/n Waters, Hunt, Buckly, Ladson, Drum at this stage with Waters and Hunt in there at the moment.
Interested to see how Easternwood goes in the NAB cup and maybe Brett Jones or a Jay Nash.
Having serious second thoughs on Buckly and Waters – Hunt should be good to go though and
Those couple of cheap places in the backline r certainly hard ones dlow… I’ve locked in ladson and the other spot is Kennelly at the moment but it may change to waters or broadbent… As for that rule, there will b a standard lockout before the Richmond v Carlton game, but after, it will b unlocked and we can change anyone except our rich or Carl plyers. It’s to give more time after the fiascos of the last two years…
Dan, I agree medhurst is a risk… But I guessed dids and Leon will play more in the midfield… Who would ur collingwood bargain b? And anything you’d like to add on ur man sidearse??
Dlow – there’s info about the partial lockout at the login screen. There’s a link you can click on that says Round 1 Partial Lockout Info.
Toby – I don’t really see value in Collingwood players this year. They’ve got a pretty settled 22, so there’s not much chance of untried players getting a significant crack and on a related point, I don’t see huge DT improvement in their 20-30 game players, apart from Sidebottom.
Sidebottom would be my pick for value at Collingwood. I think he’ll take his game to the next level this year. That semi final against the Crows was absolutely superb. Technically Pendlebury is value considering his 0 last season affected his price (but not his rolling avg last year???) and he’d be a very good pick, but I’m scratching to find genuine value at the Pies.
Pendlebury’s 0 has not been included in his price for this year Dan, he’s fully priced at 103.
Steele was right at the top of my watch-list after the finals last season, but I haven’t considered him much lately. There hasn’t really been a lot of news about him this pre-season (or maybe I just have to pay more attention).
Reid is interesting if he can get a regular gig (I’m not convinced he will though, Collingwood’s backline is pretty solid). He’s scores in the VFL last year were pretty good for a key defender, I think he could be one worth watching.
If you aren’t liking the value of Medhurst (will definitely consider him if he shows good form leading into the season), then I think Thomas will be a good ‘smokey’ selection. Had an excellent finals series, and should move towards full-time midfield roles this year (might have to wait for Dick to come back from injury on that one).
Oops, my mistake on Pendles. He was a bit too far back on my list to really consider, but I thought I’d heard otherwise.
Reid is a perfect example of why I don’t really see value in Collingwood this year. He’s decent enough and had a cracking 2009 season in the VFL from what I hear, but it’ll be hard for him to nail a spot down. Even if he gets games, will he stick around for long?
There’s not enough substance to Daisy’s game for me. He’s an effective player and I quite like him, but his usefullness is more about the impact he can have on a game. I’m not a fan of his DT game.
One name I’d like to throw up for discussions sake (I will not be touching him FWIW) is Sean Rusling. Anyone got the balls? They’ve been very patient with him, so they’d have to like him. Can he stay on the park and is he worth the hype? I dare say we’ll open up a similar discussion about another injury prone key forward when Toby discusses Essendon next week too…
Toby – Whats going on at the Saints?
Wheels haven’t fallen off yet but there are signs with Ball leaving and Lovett offside with the coach and the season hasn’t even started.
BTW you won’t be getting on the Ball train again?
On DT Talk Hodge said that Ladson didn’t look like he would be ready for round 1.
Would have to agree with Dan re collingwood… Definitely the hardest article I’ve had to write so far… Also, hadn’t heard that bout ladson, but that is interesting and disappointing if true…
And as for the Saints dlow, I think the wheel is far from fallen off. Ideally, Lovett would not be suspended, as i believe he would have been very important to the Saints this year, but we do also have Peake, who whilst not as good, can play that run and carry role well (as he showed in 2006). Also, due to Lovett being at the club all of 7 seconds, it wont have as much effect on the group as if it were a key Saints player.
From what i have seen and heard at the Saints, they are having a better pre-season than last year – Riewoldt is having his best pre-season in five years, only Eddy and Jesse Smith are on the injury list, David Armitage and Jack Steven are training very well (Armo WILL replace Ball’s position, and Steven will play as a forward), and even Winmar is surprising many (it is even thought he is a good chance to play some games this year. I will get more into this when i review the Saints, and i can guarantee it will probably be the longest one of the series…
But to tell you now, the three big improvers at the Saints in 2010 will be Armitage, McEvoy and Steven. Armo is in his fourth year and looking fantastic on the track. Officially his ‘apprenticeship’ is over (Lyon has ALWAYS said that new draftees need a four year period to develop properly). McEvoy has come back looking like a man, and came third in the 3km trial. He WILL take King’s place in the team for most of the season (King is now actually a player/coach, emphasizing he will mainly be used off the field this season) – Big Mac showed some great signs in 2009, especially against Hawthorn – expect him to have a big one this year! As for Steven, i dont know a Saints supporter NOT drooling about him – he is a nuggety half-forward in a similar mould to Chapman. He can play midfield or forward and is ready for senior footy as proved last year in his debut. He will play a similar role to that played by McQualter in 2009 – i think Schneider and McQ will both move further upfield this year, playing more linking roles, allowing for the introduction of Steven into the 22 – he has the ‘WOW’ factor about him and i expect Lyon to want to use him as much as possible…
So the future aint bleak for the Saints – i think we have the ability of matching the home and away season of last year. Hopefully though we can come home with the silverware this time!
Steven DT worthy then Toby? 200k midfielder? is he a lock for the 22? who does he replace as a forward?
I wouldnt think he’d play 22… I certainly think he is capable of it though! Would probably take the spot played by Gwilt/Dempster/Eddy from last year – the one position the Saints craved to fill, but couldnt find a consistent player for it. He has certainly been training well, and his potential far outweighs his price… i would be hesitant though to lock him in now – i would need to monitor how he goes in the pre-season and also in week one selection. As indecisive as this sounds, if he is named round one, i would pick him. But that is the problem with kids in the top 4 – 6 teams, they are far from guaranteed anything! But for what it’s worth, Steven is a work-horse at training and just the type of player Lyon loves and wants in his team.
As a side note, if Steven doesnt make the team, Lynch is the other that could play in that same role (albeit in a very different way)
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