Footy Tragic
Nothing Quite Like Price Drop
Paul Duffield – Fremantle ($363,300, BAC, Break even: 86, price drop this season: $29,400)
Duffy can be a bit of a roller coaster, but I feel he is a real bargain at the moment. With so many worries regarding popular DT backs, I can see a few trades being made in back lines this week. There’s talk of Maguire being hurt, Davis got hit by “125kg of tree” in the immortal words of David “Ox” Schwarz and some may be holding onto Kennelly, Silvagni and Hargrave, who are no guarantee of a return.
What you will notice about Duffield, is that he is one of the biggest scorers in spurts. What I mean by that, is that you’re sitting there looking at live scores and Duffy hasn’t done anything for 15 minutes. You start thinking maybe he’s injured or something and then all of a sudden he’ll rack up 18 points in two minutes. It can get frustrating, but the end result usually means he’s averaging 90 this year (after averaging 89 last year).
This is where the highs and lows come into it. If he doesn’t manage too many of these scoring spurts in a game then he is liable to score the odd 70 (he’s had three sub 70′s this year and had five in 2009). However, if he’s a bit up in this regard then he has the ability to score big tons. He cracked 120 three times last year and already has one score of 135 this year, plus three more tons. You take the good with the bad and at the end of the day, you can feel pretty safe that he’ll get a 90 average, generally with a basement of 60ish, but capable of massive tons.
Jack Grimes – Melbourne ($326,600, BAC, Break even: 101, price drop this season: $65,700)
For a slightly more budget model of Duffield, have a look at one of everyone’s favourites from 2009, Jack Grimes. There’s generally a bit of a trend where popular rookies from the previous year find their way into a mass of teams the next year, possibly due to some sort of sentimentality. That doesn’t seem to have happened with Grimes this year. He’s only in 16,408 teams and is priced very reasonably.
He started the season with remarkable consistency. In the first four weeks his lowest score was 81 and his highest was 94. After that we started to see a bit more of a roller coaster with 58, 128, 79 and 112. His last three weeks haven’t been great, averaging 67 over that period, but he’s shown to also have a basement score of about 60. His lowest score is 57 and it’s really hard to picture his scoring lower than that in a game (mid game injury permitting).
Grimes is already one of the more mature football brains on the Demons team in only his third year on the list. He knows the right spots and will get plenty of cheap stuff through across half back and when moved into the midfield he’s more than capable of winning his own ball. If the news is bad on Maguire, then it’s only $40K to upgrade to Grimes. Even though he’s got a break even of 101, your situation may require immediate action, and furthermore Grimes is a chance to get that, so I’d look closely at him.
Shane Mumford – Sydney ($324,900, RUC, Break even: 17, price RISE this season: $82,000)* NOTE: I normally have guys that have dropped in price, Mumford is still looking like a bargain though…
I will preface this by saying that if you have no cover for Hille and you’ve decided to move him on and thank him for the memories, Dean Cox is an obvious option. I did already write about him a few weeks ago, so I won’t waste the column space, but Cox is putting along nicely and as NicNat is tiring a bit, Cox should be good to go in the run home and a Cox to Hille trade will only cost $7K. Gold, considering that trade was my loose plan at the start of the year.
However, if you’re looking for someone a bit cheaper, it’s worth putting the microscope on Shane Mumford’s recent form. First of all, he’s been greatly advantaged by Mark Seaby’s injury, handing him the #1 role. Since Seaby’s injury Mumford has scored 94, 113 and 114 (he also missed two weeks through suspension in this time).
The big advantage with Mumford is that even if he isn’t playing that well he’s a tackling machine (just ask Gary Ablett). He’s had 40 tackles in nine games this year, including 20 in his last three (where he has had a lot more TOG due to Seaby being out). What I like about this is that it indicates he doesn’t need to be playing particularly well to put points on the board.
He’s been filling a few other columns though, but do be wary that his last two games have been against Hawthorn and Essendon, who notoriously leak points to ruckmen. Don’t just take his past two scores on face value and consider that his opposition have been conducive to high scoring for a ruckman.
Jonathan Brown – Brisbane ($305,500, FWD, Break even: 41, price drop this season: $110,300)
It’s weird seeing forwards not traditionally associated with DT like Mitch Hahn, Tom Hawkins and Kyle Reimers priced higher than Browny, but that’s how it is right now. Some rotten form, no doubt injury related has restricted the great man this season.
He started like a house on fire with 138 and 141 in the first two rounds. I’m sure many people brought him in for Nick Riewoldt after Round 3, only to be served a fair bit of tripe since then. He has managed four scores in the 90′s since then, but no tons. It’s a little bit worrying that his ceiling seems to be set so low. When he stinks, he stinks. If he’s not scoring 90′s, he’s scored 37, 38 and 52 (also an 87).
His last couple of weeks have seen some semblance of form though. He is, no doubt, an injury risk. If Brisbane’s season continues to head south (I mean south in the context of the ladder, because obviously they’re heading south whenever they’re not playing at home) I would be very surprised if they don’t put him in for an early surgery. There’s all sorts of rumours flying around about how badly hurt he is playing, so more than anything this is a cautionary tale. I think Brown is great value and while he’s on the park, while you might have a few down games with him, at a shade over $300K you won’t find a better buy. But buyer beware! You’d want to hope Brisbane stay in the finals race this year…
Dawson Simpson – Geelong ($94,500, RUC, Break even: -16)
First two games: 56 vs. Freo (L), 31 vs. West Coast (W) = 43.5 avg.
NOTE: His first two games were in Rounds 3 and 11.
With news of Tom Hawkins developing a hot spot in his foot, Simpson could be in line to keep his spot in the team for a little while. Brad Ottens is listed as 2-3 weeks away (but wasn’t he listed as that for all of 2009?) and who knows how long Hawkins could be?
Big Daws (and I mean real big, he’s 206cm) won’t score too well. He doesn’t provide much around the ground just yet. I like his future but it might take him a while to really get there at AFL level. Furthermore, I’ve seen Geelong VFL play a couple of times this year and I wouldn’t write Trent West off from getting a couple of games to back up Mark Blake.
Jordan Gysberts – Melbourne ($117,500, MID, Break even: -92)
First two games: 103 vs. Geelong (L), 78 vs. Carlton (L) = 90.5 avg.
Is he our last great hope? When I look at the rookies yet to debut, there is not a whole heap screaming immediate impact to me, so that might make downgrade options tough to come by late in the year. Gysberts has been very impressive in his first two games against arguably the two best midfields in the league.
He’s got a good inside game and hopefully coming into the side late will mean he won’t need a rest. However, his spot wouldn’t be locked from what I see. If he had a bad game or two, he’s got the similarly inside Jordie McKenzie breathing down his neck. I think he has good job security, but put it this way, I’d be slightly uneasy in the run home with a mid bench of Gysberts and one of Howlett/Moles/Shuey.
Gysberts would be a great money maker if you’re able to keep someone like Jetta/Banfield/Martin/Trengove/Scully as your 7th mid. I’m not saying he won’t play the full season out, but I just think we should put his first two games into perspective and not lock him in for the rest of the season (Beau Muston 2009, anyone?)

33 Comments on Nothing Quite Like Price Drop
Like a lot of people I’m considering Gysberts this week – possibly trading for Howlett.
Regarding the point about having Gysberts and Howlett/Shuey/Moles for the rest of the season. Is there any difference between having Howlett/Shuey or Gysberts/Shuey? Or would I be better of biting the bullet and trading Shuey out for Gysberts? (I have no injury/suspension worries in the mids)
great article, i think almost everyone that knows how to play will get in gysberts this week
also i want to trade OUT either Betts or Rioli to a forward for under 400k (or 500k with a double trade ie gysberts). Any ideas for a forward?(other than brown im to scared of his injurys)
Greg you would need to find out how long shuey is out for and when he gets back he has good job security but im unsure.
With the AFL injury list and the split round approaching, does 2-3 weeks for, say, Higgins mean he is only likely to miss the two games, or 2-3 weeks worth of games?
Greg, Im thinking Shuey to Gysberts this week, ive no patience left for him now (nearly 10 weeks later) ive had enough of this and doing what I should have done long ago
Fantastic write up Dan. You’ve basically covered everyone I have been looking at getting this week, even Dawson!
I currently have Hille with Warnock on the bench and was considering the downgrade to Simpson as cover, but personally for the sake of a 30-40 point output from Simpson I can hardly see the benefit and am thinking I might as will just cop the donut on the chin for a couple of weeks until Hille returns. Does this sound stupid?
Also, I was almost sold on my Higgins to Brown and Maguire to Grimes trade(s), but now with the Dogs giving Higgins a 2-3 week time frame with his injury, and the mid-season break coming up, I am starting to think if it is really worth trading Higgins at all? Can’t help but think I am trading an injured player for another injured player disguised as a bargain, too!
And with regards to Gysberts, I too can’t help but notice that he reeks of ‘Muston’ .. although, I watched the Melbourne/Carlton game the other day and the kid does seem to know how to find the pill and seems like a he has a pretty cool head on him under pressure. But with Howlett as my other mid emergency I don’t know if I can trust those 2 to see the year out for me… might just stick with Martin.
As a point of interest, I am playing the Ladder Leader in my league this week who has close to a 2100 avg and is lossless so far, so I’m not counting on any miracles there. Just want to look at getting my season back on track after this week after falling to 9th from 4th in 3 weeks!
I have NO confidence in Howlett’s job security – he was out last week until coming in late to replace Stanton – he may get more games due to other injuries, but there’s no guarantee.
@Greg – in light of the above, I would be trading out Shuey unless you can get a definitive word on how long he’s going to be out for with the glandular fever… With the resulting loss of fitness, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see him play seniors again this year.
I was going to downgrade Scully to Gysberts, but am now considering Howlett to Gysberts instead, as I’m far more confident at least 1 of these 2 will play (barring injury of course) every game until the end of the season.
i have martin and shuey on the bench. is it too dangerous to downgrade martin to gysberts for the rest of the season? i’m not sure it’s worth it for the 40k I’d get to downgrade shuey.
That’s my concern too bighughie. Having Gysberts/Howlett on the bench might be a concern/risk but I can’t help thinking that Shuey-Gysberts for a gain of only $40k is a wasted trade.
How about leaving Martin and ditching Howlett for Gysberts? Howlett’s already made a handy 171k for us and with his cagey job security i can’t see him being of any great benefit to hold on to much longer. I quite prefer the look of a Martin/Gysberts bench over a Gysberts/Howlett bench anyway.
Although it’s not going to net you much cash hugh, i think a Martin/Gysberts bench is a much safer option.
Is there any other line you can look to downgrade though? Perhaps Silvagni or someone else?
Not that there’s much else to downgrade to….
just wondering why no one other than the footy tragic guys anwser my questions and you do give my opinion to other people
i want to trade OUT either Betts or Rioli to a forward for under 400k (or 500k with a double trade ie gysberts). Any ideas for a forward?(other than brown im to scared of his injurys)
Maanco, it’s nothing personal mate. Like i think Dan mentioned yesterday, your questions are often a little vague, like.. “who do i get out of this person, etc.”
At the end of the day, no one here can tell you who or who not do get, we can only offer you advice and that is the premise of this site – sharing advice.
You click the ‘trade’ buttons at the end of the week.
So in regards to your last question, i’m not sure of your situation other than you simply WANT to trade out Betts or Rioli, which personally i think is a wasteful trade – unless you have trades to burn?
Ride it out with those blokes mate. They aren’t injured or suspended and if you picked them as keepers (which they are) you’ve got to back them in to get the job done, IMO.
Surely there are other areas of your team that you could focus on improving?
Why maanco? Not to sound harsh but after every single topic you ask the same questions, montagana or swan? One of the footy tragic guys answers you and then the next day you ask swan or ablett? Its made worse when you ask questions about players that have already been discussed in prior articles when you could just get your answer by scrolling down a little… An example of this is when you were askig about hayes a week after Toby had written about him.
I’ve already jumped inthe gys train last week to facilitate an upgrade, having gys as your 8th mid is far from the worse thing especially if you have a rock 7th. That being said I wouldnt trade shuey to have a Martin/gys bench as it doesn’t net you enough cash IMO to justify the trade but as others are saying I would downgrade a howlett for the 100k and a Martin/Gys bench. Also I havnt traded him in with the view of making money off him, he’s more of a ‘most viable’ downgrade option that made me cash, that’s why I’m not a fan of a shuey or banner downgrade to him for cash as you have to use another one to trade him out again for money and just to reiterate I would trade him in to downgrade a howlett/Duncan for cash or for some sort of bench security if you hve a couple of duds like shuey/banner/jkt. Reading over this I hope it makes sense
maanco, it could help if you listed who you already have so we don’t suggest them to you. In yesterday’s “Who’d you rather” article Toby offered up Chapman, O’Keefe and Fevola.
With Chapman you have the potential injury worries and the dreaded “general soreness” that strikes the top teams toward the end of the year. If you have cover, he would have to be the top pick at the moment (for scoring potential). Priced at just under $4000 per DT point.
O’Keefe has been very hot and cold this season but still averaging a reasonable 93. His price and potential scores make him very attractive. Priced at $3567 per DT point.
Didak and Pavlich are the other decent options under $400k. Didak seemed to have regained some form in last weeks game against the Dogs. Priced at $4128 per DT point. Based on Pavlich’s history, picking him up for under $400k has to be good value. Priced at $3974 per DT point.
Another option, possibly out of left field, is Jack Reiwoldt. He’s had a few good scores lately and Richmond seem to be having a mini-resurgence. Might be a unique pick that could pay off.
Pavlich, Didak and O’Keefe will only cost you one trade whereas Chapman will be two (based on what you have said). Purely on value O’Keefe looks to be the best option at the moment.
I already have O’Keefe so I’m considering Chapman as my last forward. The only thing stopping me at the moment is the niggling thought in the back of my mind to avoid him because of his injury history.
So many mid benches sound the same hehe. Personally I’m going for glory (or failure..) by trading Howlett down to Gysberts (as a bench player anyways) as I’ve heard Howletts job security is suss. He’s made my cash, time to offload.
That’ll leave me with Gysberts & Shuey on the bench. Sure its a bit thin, but if a mid-premium go down for an extended time you’re going to be trading them anyways. I don’t want a lot of tied up dollars wasting space on my bench.
Keeping Shuey on my bench doesn’t do anything for the nightmare scenario, it does however free up over 100K from Howlett which can go toward upgrading say Martin into Ablett.
thanks guys for helping me wake up from my self i forgot about that article sorry for my annoying rants
(Warn me if i get annoying please)
Do you think rioli will get an avg of over 80 for the rest of this year? (if not i will trade him out since i don’t need to upgrade anywhere else.)
also what are peoples thoughts on Richard Douglas?
THANKS for all your help guys and sorry about before
Hey Maanco, the trick this year with forwards is the lack of consistent premiums to choose from – yes, Brown, Johnson, Didak and O’Keefe have had some great games, but they have had some shockers too.
Watching all of them during the weekend, Didak looks in the best form – i thought his game was very strong, especially under the close watch of Picken. O’Keefe’s form can almost be attributed to his concussion of a few weeks ago as we discussed yesterday. His form looks to be turning for the better after the weekend.
Neither of Betts or Rioli are looking hugely consistent either, but their good games can be very good. Whilst Rioli is the better player, i worry that perhaps he won’t have too many 30 disposal or five goal games this year as he is more an impact player. Betts is playing more as a KPP this year with no Fev and his points could fluctuate quite rapidly accordingly.
Personally, i don’t think either are necessary trades – this year money seems to be better spent on other lines due to the complete lack of good choices in the forward line in 2010. I don’t mind Douglas, but have honestly never been a fan in the past. His past few weeks have been more impressive, but i don’t think it will be too long before the taggers start paying him some attention – something he has never had to cope with before…
Personally this week, i was always planning on getting Ablett – a trade that involved downgrading Trengrove (Port) to either Dawson Simpson or Rhys Stanley, then upgrading Howlett to Ablett. The trouble is that i would only be left with Moles and Shuey as cover. Also, i have Hille (and i would be trading out my cover for him in Trengrove) and Higgins out injured this week – im anticipating Hargrave to miss too. The other predicament is that by doing my Ablett trade, i will miss out on Gysberts, although i have other plans for my midfield bench if trades permit in a few weeks…
So my dilemma: Trade Ablett – Higgins becomes Rockliff for two weeks and Hille becomes (likely) Stanley. Or do i hold trade again, just trade Shuey to Gys? Or get rid of Hille for Cox and Shuey to Gys? I would still be able to trade for Ablett next week if i wanted…
toby i think ablett will drop about anther grand this week with his BE of 135 so i would wait a week just because you need to use trades else where otherwise i would get ablett in this week
thanks for your help also.
i think i may upgrade rioli to Douglas because i feel he is in his breakout season and he should be good i also hear hes been playing in the midfield
(my back line and forward lines are pretty good the worst players i have in those 2 positions are Heath Shaw and Brad Green (which are still good my ruck is also good) one problem is i have 6 trades so i might not trade, but i cant resist Douglas form)
Righto boys and girls, tell me which one of these sounds the most logical:
(I’ll include a brief explanation to each one, to give an idea.)
Trade 1. Warnock to Simpson / Goose to Fisher or Grimes: Got no cover for Hille unless i get Simpson or trade Hille. This will also finalise my defence, with Hams and Webberley on the pine.
Trade 2. Howlett to Gys / Goose to Gilbert: Also a trade to finalise my defence, and i’d prefer Gilbert over Fish and Grimes, just quietly. Although, this obviously serves me up a donut for Hille in doing so.
Trade 3. Warnock to Simpson / Higgins to Pav or Stevie J: Counting on that Sylvia and Pods play, i don’t really NEED to trade Higgins, but this will once again leave me with the Hille donut.
Trade 4. Higgins to Brown / Goose to Grimes: Yet to be totally convinced by either of Grimes or Browny, but they are bargain basement and it essentially finalises my forward line and defence, respectively.
Trade 5. Howlett to Gys / Higgins to Chappy: Making the most of Higgo’s injury here and bringing in the mighty little man! Although its the ultimate premium trade behind Ablett, it backtracks my forward line a bit, meaning i’m still another trade away from finalising it.
Just as a side note: I’m not overly convinced the Warnock to Simpson trade is really all that worth it for the sake of 40 points or so to cover Hille’s donut, which what you’d expect from Simpson. What are peoples thoughts on this?
Thanks guys.
Yeah Wilson I like the second option – Gilbo is in great form and should average close to 100 for the rest of the year. I agree with you about the Hille donut – obviously not ideal, but as you said, 20 – 40 points is all you will get from his replacement – im personally not even convinced by Trengrove as a very exciting replacement…
In saying this, i am tempted to move Hille on for Cox, but it is a trade that could be better spent elsewhere. Frustration is kicking in after two poor weeks in a row and i am keen to get back in the top 1000. In saying that, Ablett would also be a nice inclusion…
But if i were you Wilson, i would do number two.
Interesting comments made on Carlton’s rucks by their President, Kernahan yesterday – Was commenting on the AFL form of Kruezer and Jacobs and the VFL form of Hampson and Warnock – he made a comment saying that they expect to trade one of the four in the off season, intimating that time will continue to be given to the two showing the best form. I can’t imagine them trading Warnock after the pain they went through to get him, but he would have the highest market value of he, Jacobs and Hampson… Anyway, what i am saying is that i wouldnt be holding my breath on seeing Warnock again this year…
I’m in a similar situation to you Wilson – problems on every line :-( And the decision(s) are going to be harder when we won’t know all final teams before lockout due to the Monday match… At least I’ll know tomorrow evening if Pods and Stanton are named – that will help me in some of the many options I’m considering. Suffice to say I’ll be using my 2 Trades very carefully this week!
@Wilson – who is your 4th Ruck? I’ve read elsewhere there’s a chance Lobbe will play (I too have the Hille/Warnock combo). FWIW I’d probably go for option 5 – Higgins to anyone other than Chappy is too sideways in my opinion.
I’ve thought of an improvement for DT in 2011: Introduce 1 week mid-season – say before Round 12 – where for that one week only you can use up to 4 Trades rather than the usual weekly 2 Trades. Trades could stay at 20 or increase to 22 to ‘match’ the number of rounds in the season and ‘recognise’ the additional team (more players to choose from/trade).
There’s no personal self-interest in this suggestion of course – It’s all about the “good of the game”! lol
Yeah thanks guys, i was swinging towards the second one too, Toby. Interesting comments about the Carlton rucks there too, will have to keep an eye on that.
You are probably right about tomorrow, Juzz. Every wonderful little idea we’ve got in place for our teams will no doubt go out the window come tomorrow afternoon, per usual.
Wonder who will be General Soreness’ victim this week?..
Bad call Toby, Hampson would have the greatest market value.
He is a sublime athlete. 2m tall, a leap as big as NicNat’s, fastest man at the club and improved massively last year.
For mine, the massive development of Jacobs this year was very unexpected. It now puts serious doubt over Carlton’s need for trading for Warnock. Most likely was Jacob’s last contract at the club, until he has come in and played very well. It is odd to have 4 AFL-standard, closing in on developed, ruckmen in one squad.
can i ask why gilbert over s.fisher? Fisher is the more consistent star over the years.
Howlett has been dropped from the Dons side for Round 12, with Stanton back in (among 5 changes) – source EFC on Facebook.
Yeah Gilbo is more of a go-to man for Saints than Fisher so will often score better. If Lyon could choose one of the two to have as loose man in defence, his answer would certainly be Gilbert, due to his ability to take the game on from the backline. Fisher’s strength is more cutting off opposition forays forward. In saying this, Fisher isnt a bad choice, and he has been doing it for longer than Gilbo, but i think that it is always important to look at current year form, not just on previous years (we must remember that Gilbert only had his breakout season last year!). If i were given a choice of the two in my team, i would definitely be choosing Gilbert.
Murph, i wasn’t talking down Hampson, but i still feel that Warnock strangely reached some ‘legendary’ status when he was on the trade market – it was very strange. However, his average showing this year and new injury problems probably won’t help him find a new home. I would personally prefer a Hampson being traded into my team, but i feel he probably isnt as highly regarded outside of Carlton (I may be wrong). Personally i am surprised that the Blues didnt play Hampson in O’Hailpin’s spot this year, although Sentanta is showing some decent form, albeit sporadic!
No offense Juzz, but i hate Essendon!! haha… I think we’re due for some big surprises in the next hour or so…
Also worth noting is that this is the week where clubs can elevate one rookie to their senior list without demoting someone else. So we could see a few debuts, as well as the likes of Hams back into the squad for WCE
No offense taken Toby…
First big OUT (in terms of people’s planning re covering Hille) is Dawson Simpson!
@Wilson – Henry Playfair is this week’s victim of “GS” disease… Jetta also dropped.
OMG – Adam Selwood has been named on an extended bench – all of the Selwood boys would appear to be indestructible!! I’m guessing he won’t play, but I won’t be trading him out…
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