Footy Tragic
Lets Make Some $$$
Once again, there’s so many guys on the bubble, but this week I’ll do a quick analysis on some falling premiums. I don’t want to paint one side of the picture without the other…but I’ll keep it kind of brief, let’s face it, this is taking me ages to write.
Dean Cox – West Coast ($377,700 RUC, Break even: 78, price drop this season: $93,800)
Cox has started horrendously slow this season, which is most unlike him. Typically Dean Cox has two types of scores – big ones, or 0′s because he is not playing. Luckily for those of us who didn’t start him this year he started the season with 52, 45 and 73, dropping his price right down and his break even way up. Even with his last two games being 99 and 102 he’s still been going down in price.
How good is that? We get to see him back in full form while his price continues to plummet. Anyway, his price will be on the way back up now and I’ll be extremely surprised if he gets cheaper than this in 2010.
For those who planned on trading him in for your mid priced ruckman now is the time to get rid of a Seaby, Naitanui or Ottens – they’ve done their job for now and for the first time ever it’s accessible to trade a $250K ruckman for Cox if you’ve got a little bit of cash. Those with Hille (like me) might have a tougher decision this week. Hille has had a 114 and 87 over the last two weeks, so has scored the exact same as Cox. Hille only has a break even of 16 this week, so maybe you could wait another week…or do you even bank on Hille being a potential keeper? Can opened, worms everywhere. Would love some discussion on this predicament…
One thing to consider with Cox for this week is that he is playing against Sandilands. Even though I expect Cox to get his break even, Sandilands will be much tougher opposition than anyone else he’ll face. The week after, however, Cox is up against Hawthorn, who’s ruck stocks range from Brent Renouf to an inanimate carbon rod. He could potentially be restricted a bit this week, but next week he could score, like 730 DT points.
Alan Didak – Collingwood ($388,600 MID/FWD Break even: 92, price drop this season: $62,700)
The thing I’m loving about Didak this year is that he’s only had one really ordinary game (52) and a couple of consecutive 80′s to bring his price down. In the past goals have really assisted his DT scoring, but this year he’s been playing a more exclusive midfield role. He’s still able to bob up for a goal here or there, but he’s looking very much like a player than can pull down tons, whether or not he’s getting goals. I see his goals now as more of a bonus than an important element of his scoring potential.
His next three games are against Carlton, North and Freo. Carlton haven’t been too bad at restricting him in the past, but he did get a 96 against them last year and a 95 in 2008 (he did also have a 44 in a separate encounter in 08). I think his form is hot enough to make him a big chance for a great score this week. He didn’t play against North last year, but I can see him cutting them up and he scored 116 and 77 against them in 08. I’m sure Didak owners remember his 156 against Freo from last year very fondly too.
His big price drop makes it look like he’s been a lot worse than he has been. His form hasn’t been too bad at all and I reckon he’s just about to hit a good patch. Didak is a player that tends to kill it in a big way over a few weeks, for example last year he had a five week run where his lowest score was 121.
Phil Davis – Adelaide ($94,500 BAC/FWD, Break even: -70)
First two games: 69 vs. Carlton (L), 71 vs. Western Bulldogs (L) = 70 avg.
I’ve really like the start to Phil Davis’ AFL career. After a very disappointing NAB Cup, I didn’t think he’d be one to consider this year, but he looks a completely different player. I thought he was one of Adelaide’s best on Friday night (which puts him in a category slightly above handicapped). He finds plenty of space in the back half and Adelaide aren’t afraid to chip it around, resulting in a lot of +6′s. Not a bad option if you need a back or a forward, but be wary of his job security in the long term. He seems like someone who is great when things are going his way, but completely anonymous when it’s not going well for him. With Bock and Stevens to come back in, he’s done enough to hold his spot for now, but a bad game could see him go back to the SANFL.
Simon White – Carlton ($77,800 BAC, Break even: -74)
First two games: 74 vs. Adelaide (W), 58 vs. Geelong (W) = 66 avg.
Once again, someone who’s job security I wasn’t sold on, but with Andrew Walker going down it slightly improves his spot in the team. Keep in mind that his debut game coincided with the week Thornton and Waite got dropped though, so if Ratten goes for his more experienced players then White could be on the chopping block. They’ve also got Paul Bower to come back into their defence. He scores well enough and his first two games have been promising enough. I really liked his NAB Cup too and was one I had my eye on hoping he was named Round 1. As I mentioned last week, I’m very skeptical of young kids under Ratten – he loves giving them a taste and sending them back to VFL.
Ben Howlett – Essendon ($77,800 MID, Break even: -79)
First two games: 74 vs. Geelong (L), 63 vs. Fremantle (L) = 68.5 avg. (note: these games were Rounds 1 and 2)
I just want to mention Howlett because even though he hasn’t played since Round 2, I anticipate that his third game will be this week. He was unlucky to be dropped in the first place, Essendon were deadest embarrassed on ANZAC Day, so will ring the changes (plus Reimers and Pears will be two forced outs). Obviously job security is pretty bad, but if you’re already holding him, rejoice if he gets named and hopefully he can hold his spot. Doesn’t seem to be considered best 22 by his coach, so I wouldn’t be trading him in, but I do quite like him.
Jarrod Kayler-Thompson – Hawthorn ($77,800 MID, Break even: -108)
First two games: 65 vs. Melbourne (W), 101 vs. North Melbourne (W) = 83 avg. (note: these games were Round 1 and 5)
No doubts about his scoring potential and he’s mature aged, which we all love. But his job security is a big concern. There will be a revolving door on Hawthorn’s last 3-4 spots in their 22 and JKT is very much a part of that rotation. With so many players to come back from injury I don’t think he’ll feature enough (or at least consistently enough) for DT. It’s a real shame because he’s a cracking scorer. You’ll be able to make a quick buck off him if he’s named for a couple of games in a row, but he was first named in Round 1 and then didn’t play until he was a very late in just last week. I’m not advising against him necessarily, but if you’re picking him I’d be expecting him to be there for a good time, not a long time.
David Astbury – Richmond ($89,500 FWD, Break even: -6)
First two games: 51 vs. Melbourne (L), 22 vs. Fremantle (L) = 36.5 avg.
A lot of hype after his first game, but was practically invisible last week. I’ll pass…
Matthew Dea – Richmond ($89,500 FWD, Break even: -35)
First two games: 30 vs. Melbourne (L), 72 vs. Fremantle (L) = 51 avg.
He has a trait that Richmond are obviously massive fans of – poor kicking. His scoring pattern is pretty much a reverse of Astbury’s – invisible in his first game, but got a bit of it in his second. Even if he does hold his spot, I can’t see him getting too many points on a team that rarely has the ball. He’s a very late convert to footy too (basketball background, only played a handful of TAC Cup games) so I think this year will be a development year for him and that’ll be best done in the VFL.
Troy Taylor – Richmond ($89,500 FWD, Break even: 4)
First two games: 46 vs. Melbourne (L), 17 vs. Fremantle (L) = 31.5 avg.
I’m really sorry that I recommended him in the pre-season and hope that no one got excited when he was named to debut two weeks ago. Avoid. Copped a knock on his knee late in the game last week, but if fit I don’t think he’ll even be picked to play.
Ashton Hams – West Coast ($77,800 DEF, Break even: -58)
First two games: 48 vs. Essendon (W), 68 vs. Sydney (L) = 58 avg.
The mature aged rookie listed player from West Coast looks pretty safe to me. He’s very versatile, so that’s something that will help him keep his spot in the team, but for the moment he compliments Mark LeCras as a small forward really well. His versatility was a hallmark of his WAFL career and it seems like that will carry over into the AFL. I like his job security and reckon he’s going to be a pretty solid point scorer around the mid 50′s to mid 60′s in average. He could provide either good bench coverage for those that may have missed out on someone like Maguire, or could be used as a cash cow.

17 Comments on Lets Make Some $$$
Seaby out, Cox in -> altho I’m going to cringe at my remaining bank dollars afterwards (or lack thereof).
Haha had a good laugh at the Phil Davis “slightly above handicapped” call… even as a true blue crows supporter I can see the humour in that.
The Hille to Cox trade is a tough one with Hille hitting some good form and fitness now too. I do think Cox is about to go BAAAANG also, but im just not sure if the extra $100k might be more beneficial (in an overall points scoring perspective) for upgrading a cash cow instead. Hmm decisions
As one of the many owners who have Hille, i think there is no reason to trade him to Cox…just yet. Hille’s scores are looking extremely good, and as mentioned still has a couple of price rises in him. The only thing that worries me is Cox’s injury concerns as he has had a limited perseason and worried that his groin?(some1 correct me) might flare up again. I just feel i could snab Cox later on for a possible side-ways trade with Hille…
I dont think i will hop on the didak bandwagon either this year – we know he will cop the no1 tag and he is a player that cannot cope with a hard tag on him. While i do see him scoring in the 80-100, i can’t see him scoring at the high levels as he did last year (140-150). And as always with Didak, you need to expect the bad game as well.
Toby, i just have a question for you. What made you pick Lenny Hayes last week? He is ageing (30 years old) and his style of gameplay is worrying me abit regarding injury, do you think he can maintain his high scores of last year? I am having trouble picking him over Gibbs. While Gibbs game on the w,e was decent, i am worried about his positional changes (i.e playing HB in the Geel vs carl game)which may/may not impact on his DT game. Personally i would like him to be playing alongside Judd.
Anyway just food for thought :D
Down or up for Dangerfield do you think???
Ctb, Lenny has always been a favorite of mine, and reason for his low scoring this year is easily explained- he came into the season with a sligt injury and was always going to be nursed through the first rounds just like last year. In the first four games he averaged only 69% game time! Typically, he would play around 85%. his style of game is well suited to dt- he has an even mix of handballs and tackles, can take a grab, and best of all he loves to tackle. He is still finding his feet this year- he had a poor game against port, yet stil scored a ton… The other thing is he will rarely get tagged- dalsanto and montagna would be first choice, although he has actually been tagged for two games this year- clearly those coaches watched the first half of the grand final! I think he is still getting better, but his price will start to rise this week. If boyd plays (who always tags Lenny), maybe u can wait, but if Boyd is out, throw him straight in! Whilst yes he has that injury history, and he is 30, he still plays very well for that age! And as for the injury stuff, Lenny is known for playing through the pain- for those with a good memory, you will remember Hayes actually played out a game a few years ago despite rupturing his acl!! Now THAT is hard!!
The problem I’m having with Hille to Cox is that it was always my plan to do that. I didn’t expect to be doing it for such little cost, admittedly. When I went with the mid priced second ruck strategy I was always hoping to turn him into Cox.
Hille has done better than I expected and Cox started worse than I could’ve imagined. Now I have to wonder whether or not it’s worth using the trade, at least for now. If I wait too long does Cox become inaccessible again? Hille to Cox would be a proactive trade, but being proactive isn’t always right.
As for Didak I still reckon he will get his monster scores. Like you say CTB, you have to accept the good and the bad with Dids, but I reckon he’ll have about 4-5 130+ games in him. When he’s in the zone, he is incredibly hard to stop.
Eebzzub, as for Dangerfield it really depends on your trade and cash situation. I don’t have him, but with stacks of cash and already four trades down personally I’d upgrade him, but if you don’t have much cash or if you haven’t used many trades then a downgrade option is a bit more viable. It’s a pity he didn’t get the chance to make the money many would’ve been hoping for.
If anyone is not aware, AFL site has the latest injury list up this morning, along with an article re Dangerfield being out for the next 4+/- weeks with a broken hand (from his interaction with the goalpost) – while I don’t have him, I’m guessing this will be the final straw for many and he will disappear from quite a few teams prior to Rnd 6.
I also have Hille and agree with Dan that while it was my original plan to upgrade him, I’ve actually been very pleased with Hille’s efforts, particularly over the past 2 weeks. Am kind of procrastinating and thinking along the lines of “if it ain’t broke, it doesn’t need fixing” in relation to my Rucks and will hold tight for at least a couple more weeks – though knowing my luck Cox will shoot up in price and/or Hille will break down and my Rucks will be stuffed (again!).
Am thinking of downgrading Hunt this week, now it’s a matter of who to – Davis, Hams or White – in my current order of preference… Davis has the DP advantage, while Hams is cheaper and White has the perhaps the highest potential but lowest JS.
Would appreciate others input in making my decision :-) TIA.
hey guys,
whats a better trade this week. tippett to cox or mackay to hayes? will have enough to do both unless the one i dont buy kills his breakeven. Obviously if im going to get a zero in the mids or rucks ill buy that person.
I can only do one this week as im doing a downgrade too.
Thanks
im really looking at who they have this week. Cox has sandi and hayes probably Boyd and I tihnk Toby mentioned that he usually tags Hayes…
I don’t have Hille and have no plans to get Cox so I make these comments without any bias.
For me, the thing you have to look at is, what do you gain out of trading Hille to Cox this week? Firstly though, what do you lose. Answer, one trade and $84600.
Also, Hille has a break-even of 16 this week and in all probability will make this, thus increasing his price. Cox’s break-even is 78 and is a 43.55% chance to make it (according to FFGenie). Keep in mind that Cox is up against Sandi this week against who he has averaged 84.6 (according to my dodgy calculations) since 2003, with his best score being 105 in round 3 2005. Therefore there is a chance their price gap will close, reducing the $84600 changeover needed for the trade.
If the plan all along was to upgrade Hille, was there any thought to the situation if Hille actually scored well? Is it a case of trade him no matter what? Currently Hille is averaging 78.6 and Cox 74.2, not much difference (although I will agree that potentially Cox has more room to improve this).
If Cox makes his BE his price shouldn’t rise too dramatically, and coupled with Hille’s expected rise ($20k?) there should be no nett dollar loss.
My opinion, for what it’s worth, would be to hold for one week and see what happens, then get him in before the Hawthorn game the following week.
@dtmaster,
If you’re copping a zero with Mackay on the injury list and you don’t have cover then that is probably your area that needs attention (Tippett is at least getting you a score). However, if you do have cover, Mackay is listed as only 1-2 weeks and it may be worth saving the trade. Even if you don’t have cover, it may be worth copping a zero to save a trade, depends on your goals I guess – overall win or league win.
If Mackay wasn’t injured, would you be considering trading him? Did you factor him into your trade plans when building your team pre-season? If not, is it worth trading him now?
With Tippett in your rucks I assume you have Warnock on your bench? With Warnock not scoring any better than Tippett this is another thing to factor into your decision. Another is Tippett’s massive price fall; it will cost you plenty to upgrade him to Cox.
Ultimately it comes down to whether the nett gain from either trade is worth using a valuable trade. Sorry for such an inconclusive answer.
thanks for the comment Greg.
Yeah i have Warnock cover for tippett. I was always 50/50 with Gray and Mackay. If they did well which i thought they would, i could keep them as my worst starting forward or mid but they just dont seem to be capable. Gray has his injury and fitness worries and Mackay in a struggling side.
Will wait for the teams to be named before deciding but i think mackay to hayes or gibbs is too good to say no to
Greg I agree with you 100% on the Cox/Hille issue. I would have to say there is a 95% chance you will be better off waiting at least one more week. However with Hille playing Hawthorn that may stretch to 2 weeks.
With Sylvia about to play his third game (so my question is kind of relevant to this article) and likely increase in price as a result, I’m thinking of getting him into my team this week.
My dilemma is whether to put him in my Forwards or put him in my Mids for future DP leverage? Would appreciate input.
Hey all – sorry for the long time to come on and answer questions – had a massive day yesterday and this is my first time in front of the computer!
I’ll see if i can answer your questions by discussing my own dilemma:
I too am suffering from the Hille –> Cox ‘dilemma.’ Hille to me was always intended as a cash cow for me – i never expected him to get back to the form from 2007/2008, so essentially i hoped he would make me $50k – $100k and i could swap him for whoever the current premium ruck is in the competition (remembering i already have 211), most likely Cox.
So keeping all this in mind, i don’t feel particularly connected with Hille as a keeper in my team – i personally don’t expect this form to be all that consistent through the season, however this trade to Cox has now become more a luxury than necessity.
Last week i wrote my plan of attack (and these things NEVER get to be followed in DT due to all the variables) – it was a list of what i intended to do with my team over the next few weeks, and so far it is coming off. Initially i wanted to do Martin to Hayes (done last week), then this week was Hille to Cox and Hunt to Hams. Next week would be Hall to a forward premium.
So as you can see, this theory is now playing out well, except for the fact that both Hille and Hall are going alright… On the contrary, Robbie Gray is not – part of me wants to hold onto him so i can prove that i wasnt wrong as i talked him up all pre-season (At least i didnt talk up Shannon Cox!), but admittedly, he has to go (and he does come with an extra $20k on Hall).
So this week i am going HUNT –> HAMS
Inititally i was going to trade Maguire, but it seems he has not reached his peak, unlike Hunt who has definitely reached his maximum price. I hope to do a straight swap from Maguire to Hargrave in a couple of weeks! Who’d have thought!? Hams i really rated pre-season and he has looked good in his two games so far – he is mature aged and has great WAFL form, so should be able to compete well at AFL level. Also, Woosha was great during the week at a press conference when he stated that no matter how many games he lost, he would sleep well at night because he knew he was doing the right thing by playing the kids. Very good news! The other options White and Davis i’m not so sold on – White has Waite and Thornton to compete with, and Davis has Bock, as well as the fact he is nearly $20k more expensive has turned me off.
Second trade: GRAY –> SYLVIA
I was briefly tempted by Didak for the money i would save, but i really do want Sylvia – he is in great form, and with the likes of Jurrah and Wonnaemirri to come back into the side in coming weeks, Sylvia will spend more time on the ball! I’m sure i dont need to sell many of you on the benefits of Sylvia!
I think that next week i will do Hille to Cox… Whilst it is a bit of a luxury, Cox at his best can consistently score between 100 and 120, where Hille probably won’t average more than 85-ish. And whilst his DT scoring has been good, those who have seen his games will admit that he probably isnt in very amazing form at the moment anyway – i would therefore prefer to go with the proven Cox to take me to a premiership!
Those are the exact two trades I am going to make this week Toby. Bang-a-rang
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